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the mongols never lost a battle until a few decades after genghis had died and not to mention they were technologically and numerically inferior to virtually all of their their enemies
List of 100 Greatest Generals of All Time
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the mongols never lost a battle until a few decades after genghis had died and not to mention they were technologically and numerically inferior to virtually all of their their enemies
After the complete defeat of the Khwarezmid Empire in 1220, the Mongol army was split into two component forces. Genghis Khan led a division on a raid through Afghanistan and northern India, while another contingent marched through the Caucasus and into Russia. As Genghis Khan gathered his forces in Persia and Armenia to return to the Mongolian steppes, the second force of 20,000 troops (two tumen), commanded by generals JebeSubutai, pushed deep into Armenia and Azerbaijan. The Mongols destroyed Georgia, sacked the Genoese trade-fortress of Caffa in Crimea, and overwintered near the Black Sea. Heading home, Subutai's forces attacked the Kipchaks and were intercepted by the allied but poorly coordinated troops of Mstislav the Bold of Halych and Mstislav III of Kiev, along with about 80,000 Kievan Rus' to stop their actions. Subutai sent emissaries to the Slavic princes calling for a separate peace, but the emissaries were executed. At the Battle of Kalka River in 1223, Subutai's forces defeated the larger Kievan force, while losing the battle of Samara Bend against the neighboring Volga Bulgars. (Wikepedia quote)
Also, the Mongols' victories weren't all Ghenghis Khan's personal achievement - as opposed to Alexander the Great, whose generals mostly fought amongst themselves after his death (unlike Ghenghis' successors).
Also, the Mongols' victories weren't all Ghenghis Khan's personal achievement - as opposed to Alexander the Great, whose generals mostly fought amongst themselves after his death (unlike Ghenghis' successors).
Elta
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I highly doubt anyone would place either of these men outside the top 100, which is what we are trying to get at. Who is and who isn't in the top 100.
Cheezy the Wiz
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Montgomery was probably the most unimaginative general of the whole war. The man was deathly afraid of any sort of salient whatsoever, and insisted on moving the whole front at the same time, or not moving at all. Market-Garden was the result of one of Monty's hissy fits (the man was the definition of a Prime Donna) because the First Army Group wasn't the star of the show, and Bradley was getting more equipment and supplies than him. Patton, on the other hand, fought like the Germans; swift, bold movements, breaking the enemy into small, isolated pockets and liquidating them, and wrecking havoc in their rear; a classic blitzkrieg-wager. The Germans were scared to death of him, yet they respected him the most. Monty was all show and ego, and overall a very poor general, and most certainly not a Patton.
Cheezy the Wiz
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No I'm brutally honest. I'm tired of the man being deified. I said nothing that was spun or incorrect in any way in my post.
North King
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Nah. You can't really say he was "probably the most unimaginative general of the entire war," given that there was probably some low-level general from a tiny European neutral that got overrun by Germany who was less imaginative.
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Both Monty and Patton were Prima Donnas, the fact that Patton was a better offensive general doesn't hide the fact that they both needed to spend less time arguing with each-other and more time fighting the Germans. Ike would have had a considerably easier time of things if he wasn't constantly having to deal with subordinate's bickering.
As far as I know it was Ike who was insistent on the broad-front strategy. Monty, Bradley and Patton all favoured a narrow thrust over the Rhine in their own sector. I also doubt very much that the sole reason Monty wanted M-G to go ahead was because he felt overlooked. It certainly played a part in his support but Monty did feel (rightly or wrongly) that a single thrust with the bulk of allied supplies devoted to it would be a better strategy than trying to push forward on a broad front which had resulted in the supply problems in August/September. The fact that the idea also occurred to Patton and Bradley doesn't tend to suggest that Monty was acting purely out of spite.
As far as I know it was Ike who was insistent on the broad-front strategy. Monty, Bradley and Patton all favoured a narrow thrust over the Rhine in their own sector. I also doubt very much that the sole reason Monty wanted M-G to go ahead was because he felt overlooked. It certainly played a part in his support but Monty did feel (rightly or wrongly) that a single thrust with the bulk of allied supplies devoted to it would be a better strategy than trying to push forward on a broad front which had resulted in the supply problems in August/September. The fact that the idea also occurred to Patton and Bradley doesn't tend to suggest that Monty was acting purely out of spite.
CyberDiablo
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Mehmed II the Conqueror.
Eretz Yisrael
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Field Marshall Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim and General Hjalmar Siilasvuo
What makes him a great general? Constantinople was at this time poor, sparcely inhabited and with hardly any defendants, its walls were in bad conditions to the point that they could not put cannons on them because they were cracking from that.
You forgot the part where they barely even captured city even after all that.
Israelite9191
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And in this, of all seasons, no one has mentioned Judah Maccabee? Bloody anti-Semites......
Eretz Yisrael
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What about the generals of the haganah?
"generals of the haganah?" Name one.
Eretz Yisrael
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Field Marshall Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim and General Hjalmar Siilasvuo
Doesnt anyone know them?
Doesnt anyone know them?
I know Mannerheim, but I don't know any "generals of the haganah".
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