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List the taxes you despise paying , in the the order of your contempt for them.

Mojotronica

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For me, it's:

1. Payroll tax - this one impacts wage earners and their employers, in order to pay social security and medicare benefits. Social security itself is kind of a necessary evil -- people can't be counted on to save for retirement and it would be unconscienable to let them starve to death, even if they did not plan adequately. But the means to pay for it are counter-productive, and as the labor market shrinks in proportion to retirees, the current model will become unsustainable without additional funding.

2. Property tax - traditionally the means by which counties collect revenue, property tax forces home/landowners to pay a useage fee FOR THEIR OWN PROPERTY. When property values increase dramatically for families or individuals with a fixed income, they are often forced to sell homes they have lived in for years to avoid bankrupcy.

3. Sales tax, essential goods and services - like stapel food, clothing, housing, medicine or energy. It's regressive -- wealthier people pay a lower percentage of their income to cover the basics than poorer people.

4. Flat fee - the gov't charges everyone a flat fee for gov't services. It's regressive, because those who have limited means have a much harder time paying this than those with plenty. On the other hand, it would probably greatly restrict the size and power of gov't -- which may or may not be a good thing.

It's hard to imagine the United States funding it's gargantuan military on a flat tax.

5. International tariffs - I like free trade, so I am opposed to tariffs that discourage it.

6. Income tax, progressive - It's an invasion of privacy to have to report ones income to the gov't, but that is acceptable to me. Certainly better than the Payroll tax or Property tax that require the same kind of disclosures. Also a progressive tax forces the wealthier to pay a higher percentage of their income. That's not a terrible thing though -- the wealthier can afford to may more -- as long as the percentage remains low enough it is not a significant disincentive to wealth accumulation in my opinion.

It's hard to imagine the United States funding it's gargantuan military without the progressive federal income tax.

7. Income tax, flat - A flat income tax is fairer than a progressive income tax in the absolute sense. In more abstract social justice terms we could debate that the wealthier gain more benefits in this culture than appear on the balance sheet, but that is arguable.

8. Lottery - basically a tax on wishful thinking. My only reservation -- should it be controlled by the state or a gov't institution? Why not privatize it and tax the profits?

9. Sales tax, non-essential goods and services - it's hard to argue against a domestic usage fee for non-essential goods and services. You pay for what you use. If you don't WANT it, you don't have to pay for it.

How does your list compare to mine? Have I missed any here?
 
I disagree about the property tax, to me that is paying for civic services such as police, fire, and city organization.

The only thing that has made the US income tax palatable is automatic payroll deduction. I don't know how many people get all excited when they're getting some amount of money back in April when in fact it is the IRS returning their own money to them over and above what they've paid over the last year. These people don't comprehend that they're not getting $500, they're simply paying $10000 in taxes instead of $10500.

My least favorite taxes are the so-called "sin taxes" levying extra sales tax on tobacco and alcohol, because they usually justify it partly because it discourages consumption of those products (which is no business of Gov't, just stop paying subsidies to the tobacco farmers instead).

/rant
 
Taxes are immoral. A necessary evil, for sure, in some limited ways.

But when a government lacks responsibility and economic accountability, the desire to circumvent the system becomes greater and greater.

It is my belief that the only reason for the draconian tax system currently in use by the U.S. federal government is control. It is too complicated, makes no sense, and fairness isn't even entertained. It is control over our individual lives, and it is extremely UN-Constitutional. The Founding Fathers would be turning in their graves, or screaming for revolution in the least.

Yep, two things in life are certain: death and taxes, and I do not look forward to either one of them.
 
Me, I hate Education taxes. I don't have kids. I'm not paying for someone else's kids education. It should only be a tax for people with kids still in school.

Another thing. Fire Taxes. I've never had a fire. If I do need help when a fire happens, I'll be glad to write them a check. But my house isn't burning. Give me back my money!

And of course, Property Tax.
 
Anyone can be negative about taxes.

Why not try to be more positive and think about those wonderful taxes that are are so much fun, or better still try to think some great new taxes up?!

My favourite taxes are:

(1) Taxis: they get you from place to place very nicely.

(2) Magnus Dickus taxus: if you fall liable to this,
you are entitled to stick your "official magnus dickus
taxes paid receipt" on your car, and if questioned
display the supporting evidence.

(3) Sex enjoyment tax. Every year you are compelled by law
to fill in a form documenting your romantic encounters;
listing what you did with who and how great it was.
Individual records can be correlated to avoid cheating.

(4) Inheritance Tax. Are you an old person surrounded
by your nauseating young relatives waiting for you
to snuff it and leave them all your hard nicked dosh.
If so, ask the President to put up inheritance tax;
so you can enjoy the dismay on your greedy would
be successors when peering down to watch the
funeral through the pearly gates.

(5) Car Tax. Stuck in a traffic jam. Why, because there are
too many cars. Write to congress suggesting they
increase fuel taxes so that there are only half
as many cars on the road and you can move.

(6) Junk mail tax. If they want to send you letters
to transfer your credit card, fine. But have the
government tax them for taking up your time
and generating so much litter.

(7) Carpet Tacks. Well worth it, if you feel the
urge to speed round corners in your home.

(8) Foreigner Tax. Let us face it. Having foreigners
can be a pain. They take up space and don't
know the rules. They ask you stupid questions
and try to chat up your partner. So tax them.

(9) Span and troll poster taxes. Doesn't it just get
up your bum the way....

Oh - time to go: I see a mod with a book of ..
 
Originally posted by Syterion
Me, I hate Education taxes. I don't have kids. I'm not paying for someone else's kids education. It should only be a tax for people with kids still in school.

Did you go to school? Did the costs for all of your schooling come out of your parents' pocket?
 
1- ICMS - That's a tax on the movement of money. That's right, in Brazil everytime you "move" your money a part goes to the government. It's a ridiculous tax, and I curse the day that man who invented this was born.

2- International Tariffs - You pay a 100% tariff when importing anything. That kills free trade.

3-Income tax - Of course some income tax is necessary, but not up to the absurd levels they go in here.

4-Property Tax - I already bought the property, why should I keep paying for it ad eternum?

5-Car taxes - Cars in Brazil are so expensive that most car owners are stuck with ridiculous 1.0 automobiles.
 
Since I am not old enough to have a House, or anything important, I just wanna say I don't like the taxes that takes money away from me. I believe they are called the Income Tax (reducing my already measely enough paychecks, b******s!!!), and the Property Tax, since that is the Tax that my parents hate the most, and it detracts the most from my precious Allowance.

(Yess my Precious, Yyyyeeessss . . . )
 
#1 state income tax of 4.5% - I already pay sales tax, ONE OR THE OTHER NOT BOTH THAT WAY YOU CAN'T RAISE MY TAXES TWICE!

#2 sales tax of 4.5% - see above

#3 *******s who want to raise my sales tax calling it tax reform(see governor of virginia Mark dumbass Warner)

fed taxes i can live with, it's the damn *******s in state government i can't.
 
I guess I'm the oddball but I don't mind paying taxes. Of course I don't have children or property but still. The only tax I do mind is a "out of state tax." It might be called a use tax. Basically you specify how much stuff you bought out of state or even county on your income tax and it goes to the state. That shouldn't occur. If you buy it from afar it should cost afar.
 
Bah, Civilization is overrated, all I need is a computer, and an unlimited supply of food, and I am good . . .
 
I don't mind paying tax. I figure most people in my country screw more money out of the government than they pay in tax. The corporate tax keeps us afloat.

Not sure about property tax but here we pay rates to the local council which covers water, sanitation, rubbish collection etc.

I hate GST (Government Service Tax) of 12.5% on everything we buy. I really oppose it on food which means lower income people struggle even more than usual.
 
I don't mind paying taxes, that's the price of civilization. What pisses me off is the ways that the various government institutions squander the money given to them.

For example, social security tax. If that was in fact going into a fund that was gaining interest and was eventually going to be used for the purpose it was intended, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Seems like a good idea in principle. But the idea that there is a 'surplus' seems whacked to me, insane and irresponsible.

I don't expect to agree with every government expenditure, but I would like to see a little more honesty and restraint.
 
Just curious. How much are each of those taxes listed in US? Also, how much does an average income person pay in total taxes in percentage of their pay in US? I have heard stories of 80%!!!!
 
Taxes: The pricetag of submitting to authoritarian thugs.
 
Typically US citizens pay between 15 and 25% of income (after deductions -- the std deduction was $7500 for 2003) in Federal income taxes, and a percentage of income to the state (which is deductible from earned income used to access one's federal tax burdon.) The wealthiest now pay 36% Federal income tax, down from 39% under Clinton.

Property taxes vary depending on the value of one's holdings -- somewhere in the low single digits though. Renters pay property taxes indirectly.

Sales taxes are adminstered at the state and local levels -- they seem to be between 6% and 9% depending on where you are. Some states have no sales tax (Oregon) and some states have no Income Tax (Washington.)

There are a lot of special taxes too -- extra tax on gas, alcohol, cigarettes, hotels, car registration... Those can be alarmingly high -- for instance in Seattle hotels tax around 15% to pay for the Stadiums built in the late 90s/early 00s.

A few much debated taxes recently -- the dividends tax, which Bush wants to eliminate for private investors because he feels corporations pay that tax when they declare the dividends as profit on their balance sheet. The estate tax, an income/property tax on inheritance rec'd valued at over $1 or $2 M. And the "marriage penalty" -- filing jointly usually costs more than filing singly, for some reason.
 
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