LK127, Monarch, Vikings, Hub Map

[Kodii]

Because LK126 is heading towards a Cultural Victory as well as because of the points Lee mentioned above, I think it only makes sense to go towards Space.

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

Did I say Birka in my last post? Oops! I tend to get absent-minded most of the time.

I ment to ask this:

Why don't you put the Globe Theater in Mycenian?

 

[Swiss Pauli]

Swiss Pauli: If you've only played 6 turns then I guess its up to you if you want to finish your set. I'm not in any particular rush.

No, you can take it: I was up in three SGs simultaneously, so I'd be happy for you to grab it. (Maybe play 14 to get us back to a round number of turns left.)

 

[pigswill]

Got it. Looked at it a bit more. Nice to see marble city has been founded, leave starting NE until marble is hooked up. Done a bit of whipping. We also need more workers (7 workers for 10 cities is not ideal).

Tech wise may as well complete liberalism and revolt to free religion. Rather than astronomy I'm wondering about heading towards steel both for its military benefits (amphib grenadiers and frigates) and its trade potential.

I think we can give gold city a miss though we do need to hookup gold soon for happy and resource trade.

On the subject of resource trades HC will give us clams, pigs, 10gpt for iron. I'm thinking we should make the deal though I could understand if other people were reluctant.

In terms of politics we seem to have an HC/Brennus bloc, a Hatty/Vicky bloc with Jules and Cyrus less obviously aligned.

 

[Swiss Pauli]

Got it. Looked at it a bit more. Nice to see marble city has been founded, leave starting NE until marble is hooked up.

Errrm...are you sure you're not confusing stone with marble?

Tech wise may as well complete liberalism and revolt to free religion. Rather than astronomy I'm wondering about heading towards steel both for its military benefits (amphib grenadiers and frigates) and its trade potential.

Astro gives us Observatories, which we need before Steel. And you can't have Frigates without Astro, and Amphibious Grenadiers don't add much defensive value, and we don't want to put them on Galleys...

I think we can give gold city a miss though we do need to hookup gold soon for happy and resource trade.

One gold is being mined and connected.

On the subject of resource trades HC while give us clams, pigs, 10gpt for iron. I'm thinking we should make the deal though I could understand if other people were reluctant.

Not unless we're in a Defensive Pact with him.

In terms of politics we seem to have an HC/Brennus bloc, a Hatty/Vicky bloc with Jules and Cyrus less obviously aligned.

Jules and Hatty share Taoism (unless J went Free Rel). Brennus is isolated by his religion but HR is Capac's favourite civic, so he'll put up with the Celt being in a heathen religion.

 

[pigswill]

I got confused between stone and marble.

Re tech path. I'm aware that we need astronomy for frigates and galleons. We also need universities before observatories so we can build Oxford. However I do think that our best option for technology is trading. Jules has astronomy already. Chances are AIs will follow standard research path which rarely involves chemistry/steel giving us the option of multiple tech trades a bit later on.

 

[Swiss Pauli]

I got confused between stone and marble.

Re tech path. I'm aware that we need astronomy for frigates and galleons. We also need universities before observatories so we can build Oxford. However I do think that our best option for technology is trading. Jules has astronomy already. Chances are AIs will follow standard research path which rarely involves chemistry/steel giving us the option of multiple tech trades a bit later on.

Jules won't trade Astro for ages and by rerouting off the optimal tech for Space (which involves getting the free GS from Physics) then you'll get worse results than going directly. The other point is, do you really want to trade out key military techs to the AI, when you can offer Scientific Method and Physics?

Oberservatories can be built after universities complete in the best towns (i.e Nidaros), whilst we wait for the lesser cities to finish their universities.

 

[pigswill]

I'm so used to having Great Lib that I think I automatically delay Scimeth. In the circumstances physics beeline through astronomy seems like a good plan (with a few lightbulbs along the way hopefully).

 

[Swiss Pauli]

In my experience, it's still better to get Sci Meth ASAP, even with the Great Library. One might delay by a turn or two to get that GS out, but going 'off path' generally yields inferior results.

One point to note about Great Scientists is to check whether an Academy will pay out more than settling; Jelling might be a contender for an Academy, but it will need to be calculated at the time.

 

[pigswill]

Another quiet 14 turn set.

1802. Discover liberalism. Astronomy next (15 turns). Revolt to Free Religion.

1232. HC is a pain in the posterior:

Seeing as we have no deals with HC and a couple with Vicky I decline.

1244. Vicky builds Hagia Sophia.

1262. Trade rice to Hatty for crabs (had enough silly comments in alc13)

1280. End of set.

Save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/90414/LK127_AD-1280.CivWarlordsSave

 

[LKendter]

Summary:


Heroic Epic -
Globe Theater - Birka
Wall Street -
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Mycenian, since with will be our specialist farm.
Iron Works -

Planed wars - None

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Signed up:
LKendter
Swiss Pauli
Pigswill
Kodii (currently playing)
GreyFox (on deck)

Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: Space

 

[Kodii]

I've got it.

 

[Kodii]

Turnset Summary:

1292 AD - Astronomy in; Sci. Meth due in 13
Globe Theatre finishes in Birka!

1298 AD - I trade around to get Gunpowder, Economics and Nationalism

1334 AD - Hatty completes the Spiral Minaret

1364 AD - Scientific Method in. We have one source of oil: the desert tile 1W of Mycenian; Physics due in 19

Unless we do something about it, HC could potentially beat us to Space. He already has Chemistry and I saw riflemen roaming around. He doesn't have Astronomy yet though.

I'm happy to report that we are no longer last in score

I'm sad to report that my computer is running dreadfully slow and I won't be able to get any screenshots up.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/96336/LK127_AD-1370.CivWarlordsSave

 

[LKendter]

Summary:


Heroic Epic -
Globe Theater - Birka
Wall Street -
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Mycenian, since with will be our specialist farm.
Iron Works -

Planed wars - None

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Signed up:
LKendter (on deck)
Swiss Pauli
Pigswill
Kodii
GreyFox (currently playing)

Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: Space

 

[GreyFox]

Got it. Will continue whipping Birka, and pursue space as per team consensus. Astronomy can only fetch us constitution and Divine Rights, so I will hold off tech trading until something more opens up.

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[LKendter]

Got it. Will continue whipping Birka,

As Devo said - whip it, whip good...

That city may be the difference in wininng this game. A constant troop flow will go a long way toward catching up in soldiers.

 

[GreyFox]

Executive Summary

Whipped a few cities (mainly Birka ), made 2 trades in tech, and revolted to Free Market.


Details

Birka is whipped mercilessly every 3 turns or so to maintain a city size between 12 ~ 13. I suggest converting the northern cottages to farms to encourage growth in Birka.

Someone suggested chain farm to GP-Farm, alas the game mechanics doesn't allow that:

I suspect it is the hill and peak that is blocking the irrigation.

Around 1400, I notices more civ showing replaceable parts, and decide it is time to trade.

Cyrus wants 2 techs that everyone knows:

And Brennus wants Astro + Liberalism ... hmm... against my better judgement, I agreed.

The remaining tech on maket is divine rights, which I don't see a point in getting.

Getting constitution prompts me to check the civics, and I am shocked to find us still in decentralism. Thus I revolted to EDIT:MercantilismFree Market. I think hard on Representation, and decided against it. We only has 3 specialists (2 scientists and an engineer in Mycenian). More importantly, we are gaining +5 bonus with the power leader HC from HR. Anyway, revolting to Mercan or Rep cost 1 turn, and revolting to both cost 2 turns. So nothing is lost.

Hatty is helping us road our mine -- I ain't complaining!

My last turn yield Physics (due to deficit research throughout my turns) and netted us the scientist. Uranium is in our BFC.

I clicked on Electricity just to get the dialog away. So next player can change it if you want. One possibility is chemistry, since the scientist is offering 2700+ beakers for that tech.

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Turn 285/660 (1370 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:17:34]
GreyFox: whipped Birka
GreyFox: Reassign pop working on hamlets in Birka to coast
GreyFox: Reassgin pop working on coast to village in Nidaros
GreyFox: Reassign pop in Rockilde working on forest to mined hill
GreyFox: Reassign pop working on unimproved grass to forest in Bjorvin
GreyFox: Upped trade with JC of sugar for 9g to 12g
GreyFox: upped trade with cyrus of sheep for 9g to 10g
GreyFox: Upped science to 80&#37;
Birka finishes: Musketman

IBT:

Turn 286/660 (1376 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:27:41]
Birka begins: Knight (14 turns)
A Farm was built near Nidaros
Nidaros grows: 13
Jelling grows: 14
A Hamlet was built near Jelling
A Hamlet was built near Jelling

IBT:

Turn 287/660 (1382 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:29:36]
A Farm was built near Sigtuna
GreyFox: Whipped Jelling
Birka grows: 12
Jelling finishes: Observatory

IBT:
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Victoria(England), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 288/660 (1388 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:31:56]
Jelling begins: Hindu Temple (120 turns)
Haithabu grows: 12
Sigtuna grows: 4

IBT:

Turn 289/660 (1394 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:34:18]
Mycenian grows: 11

IBT:
Attitude Change: Victoria(England) towards Cyrus(Persia), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 290/660 (1400 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:37:42]
Tech learned: Replaceable Parts
Tech learned: Constitution
GreyFox: revolt to free market -- cobtemplated on revolting to Rep as well, but that will lose +5 bonus with HC, and HC is #1 in power. Not worth it now.
Judaism has spread: Sigtuna

IBT:
State Religion Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Confucianism' to 'no State Religion'
Attitude Change: Hatshepsut(Egypt) towards Cyrus(Persia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Brennus(Celtia) towards Cyrus(Persia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Cyrus(Persia), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'
Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Julius Caesar(Rome), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'
Civics Change: LK127(Vikings) from 'Decentralization' to 'Free Market'
Civics Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Decentralization' to 'Free Market'
Civics Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Theocracy' to 'Free Religion'

Turn 291/660 (1406 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:45:54]
Haithabu's borders expand
Birka finishes: Knight
Jelling grows: 12

IBT:
Civics Change: Brennus(Celtia) from 'Mercantilism' to 'Free Market'
Civics Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) from 'Free Market' to 'Mercantilism'

Turn 292/660 (1412 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:47:15]
Birka begins: Knight (14 turns)
A Farm was built near Birka
Nidaros grows: 14
Birka grows: 12

IBT:

Turn 293/660 (1418 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:48:38]
A Mine was built near Lisht
A Village was built near Roskilde

IBT:
Civics Change: Hatshepsut(Egypt) from 'Free Market' to 'Mercantilism'

Turn 294/660 (1424 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:51:11]
Mycenian finishes: Courthouse
Roskilde grows: 8

IBT:

Turn 295/660 (1430 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:51:45]
Mycenian begins: National Epic (38 turns)
Uppsala finishes: Musketman
Birka grows: 13

IBT:

Turn 296/660 (1436 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:54:22]
Uppsala begins: Caravel (8 turns)
Uppsala begins: Catapult (5 turns)
A Lumbermill was built near Mycenian
Uppsala grows: 11
Haithabu grows: 11
Haithabu finishes: Observatory
Jelling grows: 13

IBT:

Turn 297/660 (1442 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:57:08]
Haithabu begins: Harbor (60 turns)
Birka finishes: Knight
A Hamlet was built near Mycenian
Roskilde finishes: Forge

IBT:
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Julius Caesar(Rome), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Civics Change: Julius Caesar(Rome) from 'Hereditary Rule' to 'Representation'

Turn 298/660 (1448 AD) [08-Mar-2007 11:58:47]
Birka begins: Musketman (12 turns)
Roskilde begins: Library (13 turns)
A Lumbermill was built near Roskilde
Nidaros grows: 15
Birka grows: 12

IBT:

Turn 299/660 (1454 AD) [08-Mar-2007 12:00:35]
Tech learned: Physics
Louis Pasteur (Scientist) (Great Scientist) born in Nidaros
Haithabu grows: 12
Sigtuna finishes: Granary

IBT:

Turn 300/660 (1460 AD) [08-Mar-2007 12:02:07]
Research begun: Electricity (15 Turns)
Sigtuna begins: Trading Post (30 turns)
A Cottage was built near Haithabu

 

[Kodii]

In regards to the irrigation path, the sugar first has to be irrigated. It currently has a plantation on it.

 

[GreyFox]

In regards to the irrigation path, the sugar first has to be irrigated. It currently has a plantation on it.

I am stupid! Keep thinking that is a "sugar farm"

 

[pigswill]

Blimey, three sets in twenty-four hours.

Farm that sugar. Is is worth looking for sites for an academy rather than lightbulbing part of chemistry?