Lousiana Legislators beg DC lobbyist for permission to legislate

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The actual letter:

http://media.nola.com/politics/other/Letter%20to%20Grover%20Norquist.pdf

Librul reporting:

Republican state lawmakers in Louisiana and anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist are in a war of words over the state's terrible budget options, with Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), a 2016 White House contender, stuck in the middle.

The state faces an enormous $1.6 billion budget shortfall, a reality Jindal blames on falling oil revenues. However, he is one of a number of GOP governors, many of them considering presidential runs, who have found themselves with budget crises due to their unwillingness to raise tax revenue. Jindal's anti-tax orthodoxy has limited legislators' options for balancing the state's budget and means the state is facing the prospect of drastic cuts in key areas like higher education.

For months now legislators have accused Jindal of kowtowing to Norquist's "no tax pledge," which stipulates that taxes cannot be raised unless they’re offset by spending cuts elsewhere. And this weekend they'd had enough. A group of self-described "conservative" Republican state representatives took their complaints to Norquist himself, asking him to give them some wiggle room on raising taxes and to shoot down some Jindal-backed legislation that they say would set a "dangerous precedent" in how government could mask revenue hikes.

Sunday’s letter -- signed by Louisiana House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Joel Robideaux (R) and 10 other state Republican representatives -- asked Norquist to take into account the previous tax cuts Louisiana has passed in recent years and the effect they will have in the future when assessing whether the state is in compliance with the no tax pledge.

“Louisiana taxpayers should not be punished for having already cut taxes over the last 7 years, rather than today,” the letter, first reported by The Times-Picayune, said.

Furthermore it asked Norquist to weigh in on the so-called SAVE proposal, which they said would allow governments in the future to raise billions of dollars in revenue in the guise of a revenue-neutral budget.

“t would be profoundly ironic for ATR to suddenly become, albeit unintentionally, the most liberal and dangerous tax policy organization in the United States," they wrote.

However, Norquist refused to take the bait. While declining to come out for or against the tax credit proposal, he said it qualified as an offset and asked the lawmakers, "If you don’t like the SAVE Act, why not find other offsetting tax cuts that are more to your liking?"

Norquist also scoffed at the Republicans' plea that their past tax cuts be taken into account, writing "nder that logic, President Obama could argue he didn’t raise taxes."

The Norquist letter went on to accuse the Louisiana government of "overspending for decades," and said that while there had been progress in cutting spending in recent years, "it’s clear there is much work left to do."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/louisiana-gop-begs-grover-for-mercy

Why beg this guy? He is not a voter in Louisiana. Are they trying to find a fall guy should Louisiana turn into Kansas?
 
Why beg this guy? He is not a voter in Louisiana. Are they trying to find a fall guy should Louisiana turn into Kansas?

He's the financing strong man behind the scenes in the Republican Party. If you kowtow to him :bowdown: you get pac money, endorcements, volunteers, etc. If you don't comply with his wishes, you get no money for your reelection campaign and maybe you'll find yourself up against a well-financed opponent in the primaries. :trouble:
 
They have universities and healthcare in Louisiana ?
Everyone knows that Education leads to higher thinking skills leads to voting Liberal. :mischief:

Bobby Jindal’s desperate home-school strategy


Timmy Teepell was homeschooled during his final years of high school, and today, he and his wife homeschool all of their six young children. Instead of going to college, he moved from his hometown of Baton Rouge to Washington D.C. to work for Michael Farris, one of the nation’s most influential lobbyists and advocates for homeschooling

Bobby Jindal had plucked Teepell from the Madison Project and asked him to become the campaign manager for his congressional election in 2004

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/08/cap...school_hail_mary_is_2016s_strangest_strategy/

:eek:
 
They have universities and healthcare in Louisiana ?
Everyone knows that Education leads to higher thinking skills leads to voting Liberal. :mischief:

Well they certainly haven't had public schools for a while at least
 
A group of self-described "conservative" Republican state representatives took their complaints to Norquist himself, asking him to give them some wiggle room on raising taxes and to shoot down some Jindal-backed legislation that they say would set a "dangerous precedent" in how government could mask revenue hikes.

Uhhh why are elected representatives talking to some guy who the people of this state never elected and why are they asking his permission? Who made him king of conservative mountain?

Maybe someone can explain to me the backwardness of this..
 
Uhhh why are elected representatives talking to some guy who the people of this state never elected and why are they asking his permission? Who made him king of conservative mountain?

Maybe someone can explain to me the backwardness of this..


Republican politicians everywhere are running scared of the people who hold the campaign purse strings.
 
The problem being that all Republicans and most Democrats currently are beholden to the moneybags. And they've bought the Supreme Court. So now nothing can be done.
 
So .. when is a reform going to fix that? Politicians should be listening to voters, not shady men with bags of money.

:lol:

Wait, wait, wait

:lmao:

You mean, we could have politicians accountable to voters instead of a system of legalized, institutionalized bribery!? Do you even America, bro!?

:rotfl:
 
Norquist claims he came up with the tax pledge as a 12 year old. Think about that - many in the GOP are sacrificing their policy-making discretion to a 12 year old.
 
You mean, we could have politicians accountable to voters instead of a system of legalized, institutionalized bribery!? Do you even America, bro!?

Change is possible. Even Poland changed from once being ruled by a one party system where voters didn't even exist, to one where they matter.

But yeah, if the citizens don't care enough, then this will continue.
 
Change is possible. Even Poland changed from once being ruled by a one party system where voters didn't even exist, to one where they matter.

But yeah, if the citizens don't care enough, then this will continue.

The optimist in me wants to agree (and hopes organizations like Lessig's and Wolf-PAC are successful in this regard), but it's hard to see how it happens now.
 
I'm wondering if all this is tragedy or comedy. It's pretty big as any of them in either case.
 
why don't they just put the tax increases on the ballot as a proposal with clearly defined uses for the revenue and let the voters decide directly?

Here in Michigan our roads are desperately underfunded due to the recession around 2009 coupled with a bunch of corporate tax breaks. The breaks seem to have help the economy rebound but now the road revenue is way behind. Since the legislators can't agree on anything and none of them want to be blamed for raising taxes, they put a proposal on the ballot to raise gas taxes, vehicle registration fees and sale tax to fund roads and some education projects. In the end the bill was far too complex and got shot down by a large margin as most felt the legislature was asking for too much all at once and it was too confusing, but hey, at least they asked us. And now that we responded they are working on legislation to re-appropriate funds to roads without raising taxes, or possibly just by raising some smaller fees like vehicle registrations only.
 
The optimist in me wants to agree (and hopes organizations like Lessig's and Wolf-PAC are successful in this regard), but it's hard to see how it happens now.

My own personal hypothesis is that Americans have it too good, generally speaking. Even the poor live pretty decent lives, compared to what other many people around the planet endure.

It's not great, but it's pretty good in the grand scheme of things. The people aren't discontent enough to bring about real change. But I feel that if the right populist leader and movement arises, there might be chance for a changing of the guard. The president himself doesn't really affect much, it would have to be complemented with a voting in of many other populist representatives as well, so that real reforms can be made.

So.. I think things have to get worse before they get better. From my own personal experience, this is what sparked many things in communist Poland. I was very young when this was going on, but the sentiment across the country is one I saw in my parents. There were tanks in the streets, this was definitely something worth fighting for. Or just getting the F out for, which is what my parents risked doing.

There are no tanks in American streets and there is plenty of food in the stores, there are no lines for meat (every time), mandated food stamps, limited monthly beef supplies, the country is not subjugated by another nation and there is actual freedom, of movement, religion, expression, you can pay a lady to do things to you in vegas in a quasi legal way, or open your own business and try to join the 1%. America is pretty much paradise, to get enough momentum for a fundamental change in how society is structured you will usually need.. a lot worse than paradise for people to get annoyed enough to.. actually all start working towards real change and opposing the status quo in any way they can. When you have momentum like that, anything can happen, and unfortunately this often releases an energy of .. violence... of some sort. I don't feel that is ever going to happen in America, because the standard of living will just never drop low enough for people to care enough. There are major problems with a lack of a social safety net, and that annoys people, but that strikes people in a less systematic way. You need a large part of your community to have to experience BS firsthand for everyone to agree that a change needs to be made. And that does happen in America, but it's incredibly geographically isolated. The whole country or at least large chunks of the country need to all unite in a single voice. Right now in America such a voice is not possible, because people are convinced that they are either Liberal or Democrat.. or independent. People who should be united in a single voice for populist reasons are standing against eachother.

In America it's going to have to be a case of an ideological movement, which weaves its way into American society in some way. The way things are set up, it's going to take a lot of time , effort, and money. It's going to take a lot of people and a lot of their time and effort.. and some of them are going to have to be millionaires and billionaires. There is a way to vote in populist leaders, but everyone is convinced that politics means Republicans vs Democrats.
 
Kansas will have to report to Grover's office for a spanking:

While only six of 53 Kansas state legislators who signed Americans for Tax Reform's no-tax pledge kept it, founder Grover Norquist told Newsmax TV on Tuesday that he was confident that lawmakers would honor the agreement.

"Yes, in Kansas, there was a tax increase," Norquist told "The Hard Line" host Ed Berliner. "But the good news is that in most states where people have taken the pledge, they were holding the line — and we've done a very good job of cutting taxes in many of the red states.

"Unfortunate backsliding in Kansas," added said. "We need to get back to reining in spending there."

Since 2012, 53 of the Sunflower State's 165 lawmakers have signed pledges with ATF and Americans for Prosperity, The Topeka Capital-Journal reports.

All were Republicans — and only six have kept the pledge. Most of the others recently joined with Democrats to send the state's largest tax increase ever to GOP Gov. Sam Brownback for approval.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/grover-norquist-kansas-backsliding-tax/2015/06/16/id/650850/

Though they may get a note to take to Grover from Brownback:

Gov. Sam Brownback wants Kansans to know that whatever the revenue deal passed by lawmakers last week was, it was definitely not a tax increase.

“Some would have you believe this bill represents a tax increase, and that is not accurate,” Brownback said.

“When looked at in totality, from 2012 to 2015, as I said at the outset, Kansans are paying less in taxes and continuing to move off income taxes to consumption-based taxes.”

Legislators increased the sales tax, boosted taxes on cigarettes, taxed so-called guaranteed payments to business partners and added new fees onto managed care organizations. They also reduced itemized tax deductions.
http://cjonline.com/news/2015-06-16/gov-sam-brownback-tax-package-not-tax-increase
 
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