alex994
Hail Divine Emperor!
OOC: For the record, I lambasted moose last night but we came to an understanding last night 
LuckNES2: The Fatal Balance
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Kentharu
Zebra Commander
yea you missed my attack on persia which kinda sucks, but other than that, you do a pretty good job
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Sorry to you all then. I am trying.
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
I would love to help moose, but as I am the person that he spoke of that was talking to him on MSN....
I didn't station my army at all. It was late, I'd had a massive shift, and I forgot about my troops. I have no problems with where moose put them, despite my initial confusion, because it does make sense. And I predicted my invasion from silver because I was a) arrogant and b) unobservant.
Not to mention ignorant.
And I asked Alex *after* he said he wanted to take it over. I said if he wanted to take it, I'd let him, but I was willing to keep trying. In the end, we just agreed to swap countries.
Oh, and moose, I like you as a mod. Youse good, whoever's complaining is a dickwank.
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
Thanks mate but I have more reasons behind me, mainly technology not being able to do what was done, but I am sure in the next few days me and moose will work it out, and it really doesnt affect me, it just affects others..
Insane_Panda
Deity
Technology not being able to do whats being done? Puhleeeaaase.
This is the Napoleonic era, the era of mass armies and mass attack. I think I have a pretty good idea of what you are talking about (if you are talking about the European wars), and if so - then your arguments that the technology is not up to snuff does not cut it (but please, feel free to provide counterpoints based upon real facts.) The fates of nations were decided in single, decisive battles which either made or broke them.
In September of 1806, Napoleon crosses the Rhine. By the end of October, he is at Berlin, having utterly smashed the Prussian armies at Auerstadt and Jena along the way.
EDIT:
So basically you are going around the backs of others and issuing complaints to moose so he can change things on issues which do not effect you?
This is the Napoleonic era, the era of mass armies and mass attack. I think I have a pretty good idea of what you are talking about (if you are talking about the European wars), and if so - then your arguments that the technology is not up to snuff does not cut it (but please, feel free to provide counterpoints based upon real facts.) The fates of nations were decided in single, decisive battles which either made or broke them.
In September of 1806, Napoleon crosses the Rhine. By the end of October, he is at Berlin, having utterly smashed the Prussian armies at Auerstadt and Jena along the way.
EDIT:
So basically you are going around the backs of others and issuing complaints to moose so he can change things on issues which do not effect you?
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
I was actually trying to keep this on MSN, but meh if you want it on the forum then sure.
Not only has several orders been missed out that have affected several powers, but the following things were the things I protested being unrealistic, and asked if they could be rectified or scaled back, or at least an explanation given.
The first one was the German part of the war, which in all honesty I dont see Germany losing that much territory. Yes France did those things in 1806, but this was due to two main things in part. The disunity of the German people (who were like 200 diffrent competeting sovereignties at this stage) and the revolutionary tactics of Napoleon (which would be standard by this point in time after almost a decade of warfare). Now Germany is united, has a large enough army and has a patriotic populace.... It is actually bigger than the German Reich in 1871 RL because it owns part of Austria as well... It does make one wonder how France was so successful.
Secondly I protested how France was able to create such a large army in such a small amount of time. Now ultimatley this is up to the mod, and moose has chosen to go with this, so I acquised, however I remain firmly against projects that allow 80 divisions to be built by turn 3.
Third I protested against the Lousianan success against the DEA. I mean common this guy is a noob. Give him some kind of a chance there. I dont expect him to win or anything, but to be horribly destroyed even if it is with good planning on Symph's part does leave to disenchantment for the player involved.
Well thats the main points of contention I brought up, with German probably being the major one. I just dont see the nation who is the most martial in Europe, losing so badly in one year, as Germans are masters of the defensive. But hey in the end I aint the mod, but that IS what we spoke about.
Now may I add, I did this mainly because I want to see moose become a good mod, he has the whole update on time thing down pat, and with a bit of support he will be a great mod. Yes I probably did do it in a way which wasnt complimentary to Moose (sorry mate) so yeah, also this refelects my ooc thoughts about this, not my IC thoughts where HURI remains committed to neutrality.
silver 2039
Deity
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India has been united twice in recent history.
Under the Mughal Empire and the Maratah Empire both of which were subcontinet spannig Empires and united the body which would become known as India.
During the First War of Indian Independence the rebels rallied around the Mughal Emepror as a figurehead with the state goal of driving the British out of India, and restoring the Mughal Empire. Others sought to have the Maratha Peshwa enthroned. So in other words the rebels rallied around what they considered to be their vision of India. While this is occuring a few decades earlier I see no reason why rebllion cannot be stimulated from an outside force. The factors of rebellion remain the same. Powerful and popular rulers who have lost their lands to the Doctirne of Lapse, British attempts at Chrstianization and conversion which was quite popoular at the time, discontent among Sepoys due to rumors spread by me regarding pig and cow fat used in bullets as a secreat British attempt to make them lose their religon and so on.
Historically during the 1857 Rebellion the Sepoy's mutinied turned against their British officers and seizied several cities and towns in north India including Delhi itself. The British at the time had 200,000 troops in India, yet the rebels still managed to take cities and towns and hold out for quite a while. The people of India united across the barriers of caste and religon for the simple goal of fightiing the British.
See above. The Indian rulers are being disenfranchised under the Doctorine of Lapse, and they are still popular, they have great reason to rise up against British rule. The Raj system was in place in 1857 also but it didn't prevent the rebellion did it?
Why would British rule be such a better option compared to Mysore? Mysore under Tipu Sultan was the most progressive and powerful Indian state, in this history the British bave been defeated 4 times by Mysore. OTL the Vellore Rebellion occured when the Sepoy's mutuined and seized Vellore Fort, they then attempted to restore the Kingdom of Mysore and place the younger son of Tipu Sultan on the throne. So all this is not without precedence historically or ahistorically.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
And yet another point proven by someone besides me. All your complaints are starting to make you look ignorant. No offense to anyone. But please let me mod.
Symphony D.
Deity
Retroactive deletion.
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
Oh seriously Symph, in the short little paragraph I wrote about that, I didnt fully explain where I was coming from. I was more protesting the fact a noob got pawned like he did, I am for noobs getting a little bit of a helping hand. Secondly I know you and your plans, and how good they can get, I didnt doubt that for a second. Thirdly I knew of your numerical superiority so I didnt mention this. I merely mentioned the noob. Now Moose is the mod, and he has chosen otherwise, and I have accepted this, but do you understand what I am getting at when it comes to noobs?
Symphony D.
Deity
OOC: If anyone is at fault for germanicus' harsh welcome, it's me, not Lucky. No blame can be levelled at the moderator for my actions; he's there to sum up events, not to dole out handicaps to assist players. Therefore all fault is mine, and I bear it gladly. The best lessons come from defeats. All I have to say on that is: welcome to the school of hard-knocks.
Symphony D.
Deity
OOC: How strange then that that fact has almost never stopped them from working. Does that just mean that the rest of you can't see the obvious? 
Cuivienen
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I used a project, but, frankly, 16 EPs would have given me 80 divisions had I used a project or not.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Russia is still active. Icmancin is still playing it and sending orders.
@shortguy: the original project cost was 20 EP. Which included training below the actual full training of the army. Thats what Projects do. But stories and the like lower the price 1,2 to 3 ep given the story quality. So it was lowered to 16. They came in at Professional.
@shortguy: the original project cost was 20 EP. Which included training below the actual full training of the army. Thats what Projects do. But stories and the like lower the price 1,2 to 3 ep given the story quality. So it was lowered to 16. They came in at Professional.
