Lying Fact Checkers

[cegman]

Aww heck. See this is why I post here even if i'm in the minority. It gives me a chance to debate and also gives me a chance to get my big head deflated. I completely misread his e-mail. I had assumed he was talking about the August 29th speech.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-30/...-gm_1_gm-plant-president-obama-barack-obama/2

I think this pretty much sums up my opinion on that line in his august 29th speech but I have major egg on my face right now.

Sorry Leoreth. I was not intending to mislead. It was completely on me for not reading my own information well enough.

 

[Leoreth]

No problem, I could have bothered to check it myself but didn't

 

[Andvare]

The fact checkers of fact checkers not checking the facts of fact checkers.

Thank you, you did bring a bit of fun into my day.

 

[Save_Ferris]

Runner's World also lied about Ryan's marathon time. They claimed they could find no proof that he ran a marathon under 3 hours, yet they produced a marathon that he ran in 4 hours and one minute, clearly establishing that he ran under three hours for a full 2 hours fifty-nine minutes and fifty-nine seconds.

These types of threads aren't usually my cup of tea, but I have I problem with this: You blamed cegman for attacking a small newsperson who lied, but this statement is doing the same.

 

[zorven]

I think when the plant closed is missing the point according to what Ryan was trying to communicate. Obama said: "I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years." After 3 1/2 years of Obama's government the plant is still closed. Therefore he/the government really did not support them or he would have found a way to get GM to reopen the plant.

 

[Old Hippy]

Therefore he/the government really did not support them or he would have found a way to get GM to reopen the plant.

I believe GM is still there... to the tune of 30 billion in help

or do you want a truly socialist government...

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2009-05-31-gm-more-federal-aid-bankruptcy_N.htm

blaming Obama for not being communist enough is missing the point...

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[Leoreth]

I think when the plant closed is missing the point according to what Ryan was trying to communicate. Obama said: "I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years." After 3 1/2 years of Obama's government the plant is still closed. Therefore he/the government really did not support them or he would have found a way to get GM to reopen the plant.

Well, but now it's you who missed the point of the PolitiFact article: it was specifically about whether Obama broke a promise, which he didn't, because he didn't make one. That's the sort of thing they can investigate.

Now that's not all Ryan wanted to say, of course. Obama expressed confidence that his government's efforts would keep the plant open, but it remained closed (in this regard the question when it was closed is indeed irrelevant - if everything was already decided before Obama took office, he better shouldn't have talked about it in the first place). If you want to, you can consider this a failure, but it definitely isn't a broken promise.