Mafia game: The War of the Princes (1407-1435) [TOWN VICTORY]

[topsecret]

^I would prolly go with Csargo or Monty.

I also find it exceeding strange that LordArgon did not vote. That's not like him.

 

[Ace Marvel]

@Askthepizzaguy

 

[Shadgoat]

Rakkoon is probably also a towny due to Syn's vote on him

If it was a really shady vote then maybe. Without context it means nothing. Rakkoon was at extremely low risk of a yeeting today.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

I'm in zero condition until my heart rate falls out of the sky.

Please breath deeply. I don't want to be responsible of anything bad.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Everyone leave 2 live peeks as fakepeeks tomorrow, to the person.

Give the cop cover! The cover has been complete and total nonexistence so far, and I didn't even see anything remotely peekish, especially since the one thing that did look like a peek was clarified as never a peek.

Cop needs cover! Do not leave them without cover! You can create a half-SHC by fakepeeking 2 people town!

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Please breath deeply. I don't want to be responsible of anything bad.

RRRelax.

I'm always responsible for everything bad.

 

[Shadgoat]

ISOing on this site leaves a lot to be desired.

...............says the guy from Dragonmount lolololol

 

[Ace Marvel]

I think Syn clears Tak
LA is someone to look at
Ds. and Shad v/v or w/v

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

ISOing on this site leaves a lot to be desired.

...............says the guy from Dragonmount lolololol

It cuts off at 200 posts, too.

You can't iso further back than that.

You have to manually click page by page for the early game stuff.

Put dead townies on ignore mode after you check all their posts for possible peeks, forever, going forward.

This makes the re-read of the game far easier.

Also, the bulk of the game activity will have happened by now.

Fewer players, fewer alive, more flips, makes the game simple to reread late game, and it will NOT be difficult to keep up from here on out.

I also swear to god to shut up more tomorrow, to help people absorb the whole game, especially our sub ins.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Anyone who is murdered, check their scum reads and town reads carefully.

I already did this for the 3 dead villagers. Continue doing so before you ignore mode them. Their contribution to the game matters and especially if they got murdered, it can be a PR hunt or a SPK.

 

[Takhisis]

Thank u 4 caring about me so much! If I get JK'd I can't die in the night.

Hon.
Hon hon hon.
Hon hon.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

If a lot of dead townies suspected someone, mechanically clear them or yeet them late game.

 

[Dolbster]

Spoiler Syn reads :

That's just who I am as a person

Alternatively, you're devout and always in the mood to wipe out sin where you find it.



Why don't I get a read?

This is my first game with ATPG, the legend. A lot of posts with no multi-quoting, and no reasoning for reads. Is this... his meta? I mean, I guess I should be happy since I'm the towniest town to ever town (you are the first to ever think such a thing, ATPG), but maybe that's a trap and I should be worried.

I really hope the posting slows down a little from here on out.

My "real" reads: MJ is being non-solve-y, just like last game, in which he randed wolf. Maybe NAI, but he's usually more chatty even within the confines of spam.

Dolbster is pretty much standard fare Dolby right now. He isn't reading spam and trying to stick to "real" posts, which is understandably difficult and limited right now. Could be "let town eat itself" syndrome, although my experience with Dolby's wolfing is that he likes to be in the driver's seat.

Tim, Bianca, and Ace are typical, no deviation from the norm. Too early to assume alignment. Except Tim, Tim is always wolf, unless he's acting wolfy, then he's town.

I can't read any of the newbies. TBH I kind of suss Shad's "whoa this is a new community, is everyone being serious?" thing because almost none of the posts have had the dry sarcasm we tend to whip out in later days. Although maybe it's their master plan of getting us to be serious, which would be clever. And also a failure.

Takh has made more of an appearance. This is. Good. I guess.

Pzelda hasn't shown up. The nullest null. I think everyone else has made at least one post. (Laurentus?)

LA showed up in the beginning, now gone. Same as last game, NAI. I guess town?

Those unmentioned are nulls or "to be kept an eye on," like Montmorency who is known for solving and hasn't made an appearance beyond a hello. I feel kind of bad for Choxorn since he prefers low-volume games and is very clearly not getting that here.

We're less than 24 hours in, still have over 24 hours to go for D1. That's the best list I can give you.

All I see here is Shad kinda sus, and LA town. Makes me feel a bit bad about LA tbh

That... means nothing. Okay. You'll play Mafia during a Mafia game. That's good! Probably a better choice than playing Uno.

Somewhat dings Rosen

Skip the first 20 pages. Doesn't help much since you'll still have 30 pages after that, but...

(Actually, you could probably ISO Tim, Pizza, Dolbster, and to a lesser extent G1K, and get a solid gist. Especially Pizza's quote walls.)

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Late, but @Askthepizzaguy, the things you're dinging Bianca for are well within her town meta. That's just how she is. Like calling me a vig was/is a budding community meme because I've randed vig in both of Dolbster's micro games here, same as how "LordArgon is a cop" because he fake claims cop in every game.

Also, as much as I'd like to, you can't scum read her fake mason/ally thing with Ace. It's like this every game. A game or two ago I mentioned that it would be great cover for when one or both of them rand wolf eventually, and I still hold to that. They are low hanging fruit on a low hanging fruit tree. Super easy for a wolf to maneuver one or two mischops, and chasing that thread only makes PR night actions all the more important because we're unlikely to hit a wolf during the chop.

My (general) philosophy on that front is to chop one and let the other simmer. They chill out once they're separated. So to be on the record, I'm strongly against a two-chop punch of Ace/Bianca. Whoever of the two gets eliminated, if either do, gives breathing room for the other (and a chance to redeem their town play). But I want to stress that if neither get chopped, this will be the case for the entire game. They don't drop the act, ever, even when there's just one left. The only difference is that they can't feed into each other when one is gone.

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I will admit I don't understand the push against G1K, wagon led by Tim. He keeps saying that if G1K doesn't provide a reasoned reads list that he'll push for his chop ASAP, but I don't know why G1K is being held to that standard. MJ is just as much a solver and just as clever as G1K, and the expectations for him were dropped the second he swung by and gave a couple shrug posts. But for some reason G1K is still being held to the fire. Is it because of his vote reasoning? D1 doesn't provide a lot of opportunity for confidence, and even Pizza's quote walls and ISOing are little more than gut feel and trying to read between the lines right now.

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We have a few people flying under the radar at the moment. Me included, to an extent. My reasoning is simply that other people have already said what I would say, so me just throwing in an "I agree" is worth very little. I like the push on Ace/Bianca because it'll make later days much easier to solve when they aren't getting up to their hijinks. Pointing out bad votes has a limit, so no need for me to pile on when people like Dolby and Pizza have already gone "That's dumb."

Really, I'd like to see more from Pzelda, Laurentus, Takh, Choxxy Woxxy, Rakkoon (his contributions have been a little ?? since his appearance last night), and LordArgon. To a lesser extent, MJ, Csargo, and Monty. The latter three are solvers, so there's some expectation involved. But then again, I'm not a solver, and I'm having trouble coming up with something "new" to contribute, so I can't imagine they're having an easier time of it. There's not a lot of real estate available for new, contrary reads at this very minute. And tbh I'm not sure what new reads are possible outside the current wagons, since that's basically what all interactions are revolving around now, beyond trying to catch people in a slip.

Bianca/Yako slot straight up a towny, pressures half the game including "Csargo and Monty" to a lesser, which is interesting. Would say max two mafia in the first list, probs max two mafia in the whole 9 player list actually

That TGT is not mentioned is interesting but probably bc TGT had at that point more post count than content

Syn probs Ace a bit but I'm not quoting that

I suspect the usual would happen: random CFD at EoD, torture Rask as he tries to tally, and then seeing where the cards fell.

Rosen pointed out that Tyranno has good cover by providing tallies: appearing active while not contributing. But he has offered some one-liners, and I can't honestly dock someone townie points for tallies since I used to do the same thing.

The shade/not-shade is probs slightly +town points for TGT

Syn goes against Pizza's stuff at EoD1

How are Choxorn and Pzelda in your top town when they've made like 10 posts put together?

This is interesting, I do actually think that Syn could be asking this towards his scummates, but I personally think that they're town given his later behavior towards Zelda specifically. Not clearing

That is a bit simplified, since the nulls that were named were qualified (meta). If it helps, LA, Shad, and Takh went from null/town lean to below the baseline. I'm not impressed with Rakkoon. I don't know what to think about Monty. I know you're poking at him, so I'll need to read that more closely.

This is from 24 hours after the reads list you quoted, which largely jives with what I put above:



Looking that up reminded me that Pzelda inexplicably gave Rakkoon's posts town cred, which largely amounted to "Anyone who votes me is a wolf, because I said so."

I think dragging info out of Rosen, Shad, Takh, Laurentus (pls), and Choxorn will be a big help. There are a lot of people who simply haven't offered insight into anything or at least very little. We're still stuck in judging personality so long as so many are silent.

Pressuring Zelda for his Rakkoon townread, also susses LA, Shad, Tak, and Rakkoon. Notably, Syn shifts Shad up to a top TL when he drops his reads list, which will be in a separate post

@topsecret: I was just going to give a town lean list and had you on it, but then realized I don't remember anything from you nearing D1 EOD, and you haven't appeared yet now. What are your thoughts?

Interesting

Can you explain the confidence for Rosen? Do you think a wolf wouldn't be so brash with the flavour/meta stuff? All I can recall about Rosen is being hostile about mechanics and personality, not so much about reads.

IDK if I agree with the Laurentus read either. I mean, there's nothing stopping a wolf from being just as inactive as a townie. Have you played with him before?

Mind, I'm not saying to scum read Laurentus. It's impossible to really do that. But I'm interested in the logic of leaning toward town.

Both reads feel like not wanting MLs to slip away

i'm going to be biased here but he did this last game too and was a wolf

Corrobates Tak having "sus behavior"

You switched to MJ from G1K, but one of the last things you said was...



You were okay with his chop.

Lightly pressuring Zelda

One other post, which I'm going to keep out of spoiler is gonna be brought up in full

 

[Dolbster]

Last VC before we got down and dirty.

No bailing on Synsensa.

choxorn left the previous counterwagon for the new one but I've liked his post-yeeting quite a bit.

Kinda interesting that Zelda became the target instead of TGT, but at the same time I feel that TGT was dead as a wagon

 

[Takhisis]

Taking my reads list from yesterday:

in no particular order within one same line

princessly town
Takhisis

solvy/towny,
Dolbster, pzelda, choxorn, Montmorency, atpg, topsecret
hollowkatt,

middle
Yakostovian, Shadgoat?,
Rakkoon

scummy
Lord Argon, Ace Marvel
-Rosen, Csargo, Synet, TheGoldenTyranno

inactive
Laurentus

(the above is based on my theory for the early game that the more people post the better (within reason) because that is less

And adding to it the EOD votes:

official tally:

Synsensa (7): TheGoldenTyranno, Askthepizzaguy, hollowkatt, pzelda, Ace Marvel, topsecret, Dolbster
pzelda (5): DS., Shadgoat, Csargo, Montmorency, Yakostovian
TheGoldenTyranno (3): Takhisis, Rhand, choxorn
Rakkoon (1): Synsensa
Askthepizzaguy (1): Rakkoon

not voting (1) : LordArgon

We get
princessly town: Takhisis

Solvy-towny!
atpg: at the very least is not English. 99% pure French Armagnac town!
Dolbster: solvy and pulling back on waggon when savign Syn was a real possibility. 99% pure Armagnac town!
pzelda: given ‘town equity’ by the sudden waggon on him which temporarily tied with Synsensa 6-6.
choxorn: still participating, reacts in time. I don't think he'd switch his vote off town!pzelda if he were with mafia!Synsensa.
topsecret, hollowkatt: on waggon

Middle: Montmorency, dropped one category, Ace Marvel, raised one category
Rakkoon: ???? there's always the possibility that atpg rands non-English antitown… right?

scumminactives
LordArgon the uncompromised
Yakostovian , Shadgoat, the counterwaggoners (drop one category); although Dolbster has a point about Syn's behaviour towards biancastovian on D1
Csargo (considering voting him tomorrow)
tgt (don't regret voting, also cosidering voting him tomorrow)

special: replacements
Rhand (town lean)
DS. (never played with him before, don't know how to read DS.) And I think I'm off.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, I would ask you your priorities with the jailkeep at the moment. I think that Csargo and Monty are both highly probable teammates with Syn, however, I understand that you probs still want a green peek tonight

Yeah thats probably still the correct play.

Thank you for grounding me.

I will reveal my JK choice before end of twilight.

 

[Shadgoat]

And Monty, since you've committed to the "preparing posts in advance while not participating in the actual conversation" approach, was reading up on another game to inspect one specific person really the best use of your time?

Is this w/v shade or is Synsensa salty about his partner's play style?

I honestly can't tell.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think we are dealing with 2 mafia factions rather than a SK.

@TheGoldenTyranno

Do you want to be lock clear, broheim?

 

[TheGoldenTyranno]

@TheGoldenTyranno

Do you want to be lock clear, broheim?

@Askthepizzaguy would be nice

 

[Takhisis]

strange that you didn't even attempt to read my reasoning

Ah! I found it, posted over an hour and some 25 posts earlier:

Reading pzeldas iso there are lot of hedgey speak in here

"I could find this scummy" "this is interesting" "this is kinda", "I could possibly"

and no real hard pushes created on his own. He also says at one point

"This is a solid post from synsensa from yesterday. If someone sells me on it being wolfy, I'll vote him"

which is like the ultimate cop out from my pov.

Mmmmkay, it's valid on its own, but my WTH is about the two votes within a minute.