Main reason for seeing 'multiculturalism' as a failure
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^ Disgusting misrepresentation of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism does not mean honor killings or terrorism or ethnic hatred or intolerance is tolerated; in fact it's the exact opposite. Tolerance has to be mutual.
Japanrocks12
tired of being a man
Watching that video has affirmed my belief that multiculturalism haters are all either crazy contrarians or haters of something else that's a little harder to sell.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Thanks for sharing. Illustrates how people first have to redefine the term multiculturalism before they think the arsegravy they are spouting actually makes sense.
BuckeyeJim
King
So then we are back to square one: Why are the leaders of Europe wrong when they say multiculturalism has failed with significant portions of their immigrants are not tolerating our culture or the laws they're bound to? If the rules they are supposed to play by are bound into law, and they agree to accept this system they are entering, how is their assessment unfair or incorrect?
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Again, that's like saying capitalism is a failure because of the Wall Street crash.
Multiculturalism has no more meaning that different cultures living in one society. There are places all over the globe where this is happening and has happened for a long time. What they should be saying is: the policies we implemented with regard to immigration has flaws.
Like all policies have.
Now, instead of ludicrously announcing that multiculturalism has failed, politicians should recognize the mistakes they made in their policies. Like not putting all people from one culture in one specific part of a city and then wonder after 10 years why they're not integrating.
Who died and left you with monopoly on defining multiculturalism?
When everyone is perfectly integrated into a single society, how is that still multiculturalism?
EDIT: haven't watched the video.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Many cultures sharing a metaculture.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Ok, I'm sorry I looked up the definition.
I do sincerely apologize for not letting people define terms however the hell they want to. In fact, I'm going to define it as chocolate cake and claim that multiculturalism is awesome with whipped cream.
Boggles the mind doesn't it?
I always wondered this as well with regard to M&M's. If they are all M's how come they have 5 different colours?
Thoughtful Thug
Deity
That is because they are all in the same bag.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Not because they all bleed chocolate?
Thoughtful Thug
Deity
That too.
So would you kindly point us to where you looked it up?
EDIT: I just googled "multiculturalism" + phrase "different cultures living in one society" and received zero results. Strangely, I didn't even find your post in this thread.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
That would be me imposing a definition upon others wouldn't it?So would you kindly point us to where you looked it up?
I'm not going to fall for that and be blamed for claiming a monopoly on definitions. I say it's chocolate cake and to deny me that definition would be to deny the principles of free market.
First I'll send you to look for the definition of the term "paraphrasing".
No, it would merely be proving you weren't completely bluffing by saying you "looked it up".
In fact, if you had actually done that, you sure as hell would have noticed that the term has "a number of different meanings" (first sentence of wiki article) and that you can't find two dictionaries that define it alike, not to mention often no "definition" as such is provided at all.
EDIT: For instance Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy claims in its article about MC:
As you may see, it explicitly states that MC is not just a descriptive term about "different cultures living in one society".
@Earthling: Thanks. When is a phrase too long for Google to properly find it?
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
First hit on google: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/multiculturalism
mul·ti·cul·tur·al (mlt-klchr-l, -t-)
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or including several cultures.
2. Of or relating to a social or educational theory that encourages interest in many cultures within a society rather than in only a mainstream culture.
Pretty effing close to what I claimed now isn't it?
But I can conclude that even using the different definitions, the one given in the video is false, wrong, bunk, nonsense and arsegravy of the worst kind.
"Multicultural" and "multiculturalism" are no more closely related than "social" and "socialism".
The video is clearly hyperbolic and hopefully not completely serious. Yet saying that "multiculturalism is the philosophy that every culture is morally valid and no culture has the right to impose its values on another" is "pretty effing close" to "recognition and positive accommodation of group differences" isn't it?
aelf
Ashen One
Kymlicka has been criticised by multicultural thinkers for reasons related to what you're thinking of. What is needed is a conception of cultural citizenship that breaks down unitary or oppositional categories, that does not valorise difference or sameness in any 'objective' or political way, but allows for subject-determined differences that do not have hegemonic tendencies. In other words, multiculturalism really is and should be about 'live and let live'.
I don't know of any significant current of multicultural thinking that either seeks to undermine individual rights in favour of group rights or to promote cultural segregation. Until I see some evidence of that, I'm not going to give all this hysteria about multiculturalism any credence. But I'm sure this has been said again and again.
I don't know of any significant current of multicultural thinking that either seeks to undermine individual rights in favour of group rights or to promote cultural segregation. Until I see some evidence of that, I'm not going to give all this hysteria about multiculturalism any credence. But I'm sure this has been said again and again.
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