Maine voters face historic choice on gay marriage

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PORTLAND, Maine – For an off-year election, in a state only rarely in the national political spotlight, an upcoming referendum on same-sex marriage has dramatic potential to make history and to roil emotions from coast to coast.

On Nov. 3, Maine voters will become the first in any state with the chance to repeal or uphold a law passed by their Legislature and signed by their governor, legalizing same-sex marriage. The outcome is considered too close to call, and the race is galvanizing activists on both sides of the issue across the country.

The ballot measure, Question One, results from Maine's provision for a "people's veto" — any newly passed law can be subject to repeal by voters if enough valid signatures are obtained to trigger a referendum.

"The stakes are very high in Maine, no question about it," said Frank Schubert, who was hired by gay-marriage opponents in Maine as their top strategist after he coordinated the Proposition 8 campaign last year in California that repealed court-ordered gay marriage there.

Though five other states have legalized same-sex marriage, including four of Maine's New England neighbors, none has done it with the affirmation of a popular vote. Maine could be the first — a prospect which worries Schubert and his allies.

"It would be first time gay marriage advocates would be able to convince the public to be on their side," he said. "It would add to their attempt to convince people that it's inevitable they will win, that it's just a matter of time."

Supporters of same-sex marriage, in Maine and elsewhere, are cautiously hopeful of a landmark victory that they believe would have impact in other states, including California. But they acknowledge that defeat — by an electorate known for its independence and moderation — would be crushing.

"If we lose, it will be a day of tremendous grief," said Judy Chamberlain, who along with her partner of 30 years, Karen Marlin, has been working in the campaign to uphold the marriage law.

Chamberlain, 57, and Marlin, 62, who hope to wed in their church in Brunswick, got engaged in May when the state Senate approved the marriage bill. Marlin replied to Chamberlain's proposal by text message: "You bet."

Their 17-year daughter, Nena, adopted from Russia as a toddler, hopes her mothers get the election result they're working for.

"It would be cool for them," she said. "They've been wanting it so long."

Among the lawmakers backing the marriage bill was Sen. Larry Bliss, an openly gay Democrat who moved many colleagues with personal stories of raising a family as half of a same-sex couple. Initially, Bliss felt the bill was premature, but changed his mind when his longtime partner quit his job and needed to get on Bliss's health insurance.

"If he'd been my spouse, it would have been easy," Bliss said. "Instead the process was appallingly humiliating."

Many Mainers were surprised by the decision of Democratic Gov. John Baldacci, a Roman Catholic, to sign the bill swiftly on May 6 despite having voiced doubts about same-sex marriage.

The spiritual leader of Maine's 200,000 Catholics, Portland Bishop Richard Malone, said he was "deeply disappointed" in Baldacci and legislative leaders, and called same-sex marriage "a dangerous sociological experiment." Catholic churches statewide have taken collections to aid the repeal effort.

Baldacci, a former altar boy, says he is at peace with his decision.

"It's important to have your own faith and connection to God," he said in an interview in his statehouse office. "At the same time, it isn't just that faith you're the governor of. ...You're governor of all the people."

When the marriage bill was introduced, Baldacci argued that gay couples could get needed legal rights through civil unions, but his views evolved.

"I was creating a second-class marriage for certain people, which wasn't right," he said. "I wasn't doing my duty to the constitution I swore to uphold."

Baldacci hopes the campaign, as it gains national attention, will be illuminating and respectful rather than nasty.

"To divide us more, especially during difficult times, would hurt us — leave such scars that they could never be healed," he said.

Both campaigns depict Maine voters as unlikely to be swayed by out-of-state efforts. Yet the No on One campaign — which supports gay marriage — is welcoming volunteers from afar, and both sides are expected to report substantial out-of-state financial contributions when figures are released next week.

No on One's supporters include the Human Rights Campaign and other national gay-rights groups. The other side, Stand For Marriage Maine, is getting major assistance from the National Organization for Marriage, which played a key role last year when Proposition 8 quashed a California Supreme Court ruling that briefly legalized same-sex marriage.

Schubert, hired to reprise his role in California, has employed controversial TV ads similar to those which helped sway the Prop 8 vote. Among other claims, the ads assert that "homosexual marriage" will be taught in Maine public schools if Question One loses.

Trying to learn lessons from California, supporters of same-sex marriage have responded with swift rebuttals. Critics of the ads — including Baldacci and top legislative leaders — say Maine has no mandated statewide curriculum addressing marriage, and family life programs adopted by local school boards generally enable parents to exempt their children.

"What Frank Schubert is known for doing is using lies to try to scare people," said Geoff Kors, executive director of Equality California, who hopes a victory for his gay-rights allies in Maine will bolster efforts to get another referendum on same-sex marriage in California.

Schubert, in a telephone interview, stood by the accuracy of his ads.

"Having an aggressive campaign that focuses on potential consequences, you force people to think about an issue in the way they haven't before," he said.

The rival campaign managers have contrasting backgrounds. The No on One leader is Jesse Connolly, 31, who ran Baldacci's re-election campaign in 2006 and whose father, while a legislator in 1974, led the first attempt to pass a state law protecting gays from bias.

Stand for Marriage's top leaders are a generation older, both with church backgrounds. Marc Mutty is on leave from his job as public affairs chief for the Catholic diocese, and the Rev. Robert Emrich runs the Maine Jeremiah Project, a conservative Christian coalition.

In a joint interview, Mutty and Emrich said the campaign pits rank-and-file Mainers against political and professional elites.

"Our constituency is Ma and Pa Kettle and Joe Sixpack — people not that engaged in the political process," said Mutty.

His modest headquarters in a shopping plaza had no sign visible to anyone approaching — a low profile stemming partly from fears of harassment.

"Everywhere we turn, we're accused of being bigots," Mutty said, describing initial attempts to secure office space that were rejected based on concerns about security or political backlash.

Emrich said he and his wife have received harassing phone calls and mysterious knocks on their door.

"You don't want to talk too much about it because you don't want to scare people off from getting involved," he said.

Connolly says he wants everyone with his campaign, including out-of-state volunteers, to behave respectfully and he's skeptical about the alleged harassment.

"The victimization card the other side tries to play doesn't live up to face value," he said.

On some matters, Connolly and Mutty agree. They say the vast majority of voters already have made up their minds and believe the battle for an edge in turnout will be pivotal.

Among the most fervent campaigners for gay marriage — working the phones, canvassing face-to-face — are same-sex couples yearning for the right to wed.

Jim Bishop, 62, and Steve Ryan, 56, who both work for a Portland-area low-income housing program, have been partners for 34 years and never before have invested so much time and money — more than $12,000 so far — in a political campaign.

"It's an emotional issue for me — you realize you've been discriminated against your whole life," said Bishop, who recalled past travels with Ryan when they would pose as brothers to avoid potential hassles.

Beth Allen, 30, and Valerie Frye, 29, just moved into a wood cabin in the hamlet of Fletchers Landing, a three-hour drive northwest of Portland.

They've been a couple for three years, working for the same social service agency and sharing care of Allen's 5-year-old daughter Fiona. They're engaged to marry next year.

"It makes me nervous what Fiona will have to go through if it doesn't work out," Allen said. "She knows we're a family with two mommies. It doesn't cross her mind that people would disagree with that."

Even amid moving and readying Fiona for kindergarten, they've made time for their first-ever political campaigning; conversations with potential voters have ranged from warm to cold. Allen said one married woman at a local festival told her icily, "I don't want you to have what I have."

Episcopal Bishop Stephen Lane, part of a religious coalition supporting same-sex marriage, anticipates a harrowing election night.

"That will be one of my major concerns on the pastoral level," he said. "Hopes are so high in the gay and lesbian community that it will be devastating if they lose.

The campaign seems so close, said University of Maine political scientist Mark Brewer, that he wouldn't even guess at the outcome.

"Unless someone makes a big mistake, it will all come down to mobilization and turnout," he said.

Whatever the result, he said it is likely to reverberate nationwide because of the attitude and track record of Maine voters.

"The Maine electorate tends to view itself as independent and pragmatic," Brewer said. "They like to believe they reach decisions based on good old Yankee common sense."
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I am not sure what to say about this just yet. I do not agree with same sex marriage, but perhaps I am just old fashioned in that way. I know some maybe many would think it wrong of me. I just think marriage should be between man and woman. I of course feel this way because I am not gay, but reality is simpler. Two gay men cannot have a baby, and neither can two lesbians. And gay people do not need to marry to adopt children, if thats the reason they marry. I hope Maine people repeal the decision to implement gay marriage. My grandfather was from Monticello, Maine. And Grampy, I know you would more than agree with me. I have to warn you I will answer dissent against my views and the views of my grandfather, with the way he would word it. So I imagine I will be typing I cannot swear quite often. Don't worry I will throw a few god damns in there for effect. Discuss
 
I am not sure what to say about this just yet. I do not agree with same sex marriage, but perhaps I am just old fashioned in that way. I know some maybe many would think it wrong of me. I just think marriage should be between man and woman. I of course feel this way because I am not gay, but reality is simpler. Two gay men cannot have a baby, and neither can two lesbians. And gay people do not need to marry to adopt children, if thats the reason they marry. I hope Maine people repeal the decision to implement gay marriage. My grandfather was from Monticello, Maine. And Grampy, I know you would more than agree with me. I have to warn you I will answer dissent against my views and the views of my grandfather, with the way he would word it. So I imagine I will be typing I cannot swear quite often. Don't worry I will throw a few god damns in there for effect. Discuss

What's your grandfather have to do with it, though? Mine was from Scotland (my paternal one) and almost certainly had political and social views that I'd disagree with, except I never met him that I can recall. :(

Anyway, I take the long view on this. On the one hand, eventually gay marriage will be legal in the vast majority of the United States. I eagerly await SCOTUS rulings on "full faith and credit" matters. On the other hand, I wish the anti-gay-marriage folks had seen this coming and had taken the opportunity to get government out of marriage when they still had a choice of doing something other than a rearguard delaying action.
 
Hi.

I have a pair of Canadian friends who are lesbians. They got married in Canada.

They took eggs from one woman, and fertilized it using a donor. Then they implanted the embryos in the other wife.

They're now the proud married parents of twins.
This was a couple years ago. Since then, there have been even more advances in fertility research.

There are some States in the US that doesn't even recognise this couple as being married, and might deny their rights as parents. This is because these States passed laws trying to ban gay marriage, and ended up catching people in the crossfire.
 
This one will be pretty close. Maine is as socially conservative and rural as New England gets.

Maine's funny that way in that it is virtually all rural areas. Even the state capital is no bigger than towns that would be called rural in places like Connecticut or New Jersey. But while many of those people are fairly conservative, the social conservatism of the Bible Belt and the Western rural states really isn't so much in evidence. Northern New England has less of the "government should protect people from themselves" mentality than conservatives have in some other regions.

So the issue is charged enough to go either way. But eventually Maine will legalize same sex marriage. So this is at most a delay, not a defeat. And probably only a delay to the extent that Maine doesn't have a notable "gay community" to push the agenda.
 
I am not sure what to say about this just yet. I do not agree with same sex marriage, but perhaps I am just old fashioned in that way. I know some maybe many would think it wrong of me. I just think marriage should be between man and woman. I of course feel this way because I am not gay, but reality is simpler. Two gay men cannot have a baby, and neither can two lesbians. And gay people do not need to marry to adopt children, if thats the reason they marry. I hope Maine people repeal the decision to implement gay marriage.

It's not about having babies, it's about being able to spend your life with the person you love - while receiving state support for this in terms of financial benefits, as well as an official understanding that this other person is "your better half", and thus can do some things others cannot (speak for you in certain situations, visitation rights, etc.)

My grandfather was from Monticello, Maine. And Grampy, I know you would more than agree with me. I have to warn you I will answer dissent against my views and the views of my grandfather, with the way he would word it. So I imagine I will be typing I cannot swear quite often. Don't worry I will throw a few god damns in there for effect. Discuss

My grandfather is from Poland and likes cheese.
 
The spiritual leader of Maine's 200,000 Catholics, Portland Bishop Richard Malone [...] called same-sex marriage "a dangerous sociological experiment."
Dangerous eh?

Bites your head off.
 
The danger that mindless bigots will be forced to tolerate one more thing that they are mindlessly bigoted against.
 
Baldacci, a former altar boy, says he is at peace with his decision.

"It's important to have your own faith and connection to God," he said in an interview in his statehouse office. "At the same time, it isn't just that faith you're the governor of. ...You're governor of all the people."

When the marriage bill was introduced, Baldacci argued that gay couples could get needed legal rights through civil unions, but his views evolved.

"I was creating a second-class marriage for certain people, which wasn't right," he said. "I wasn't doing my duty to the constitution I swore to uphold."

Baldacci hopes the campaign, as it gains national attention, will be illuminating and respectful rather than nasty.

"To divide us more, especially during difficult times, would hurt us — leave such scars that they could never be healed," he said.

I like this guy. If more religious people were like him things would be much better.
 
Anyone waiting on SCOTUS to make a ruling on the issue of gay marriage in any way, shape or form is going to be waiting for a hell of a long time.

Edit: And I just want to say how totally not a fan of the "second class citizen" argument I am, as gays aren't the only group of people disallowed from entering into the type of marriage they want. It's more or less an emotional appeal. /mini-rant
 
Anyone waiting on SCOTUS to make a ruling on the issue of gay marriage in any way, shape or form is going to be waiting for a hell of a long time.

Edit: And I just want to say how totally not a fan of the "second class citizen" argument I am, as gays aren't the only group of people disallowed from entering into the type of marriage they want. It's more or less an emotional appeal. /mini-rant

Civil unions afford less benefits than marriage and carry an arbitrary distinction from marriage, while both accomplish the same exact thing socially vis a vis the partners. This is the second class citizen argument. It has nothing to do with whatever amorphous slippery slope land (polygamy I am assuming) you are trying to go.
 
What other group of consenting adults aren't allowed to marry in the U.S.?

Polygamists. And siblings.

:lol:

Now, I'm not comparing homosexuality to polygamy or incest, I'm just saying that I don't think the whole "we're being treated like second-class citizens!" argument works for the issue of gay marriage, since gays aren't exactly singled out and treated "unfairly". There are other groups in the same boat as them.
 
It's not about having babies, it's about being able to spend your life with the person you love - while receiving state support for this in terms of financial benefits, as well as an official understanding that this other person is "your better half", and thus can do some things others cannot (speak for you in certain situations, visitation rights, etc.)

All of which can be done without a marriage certificate.

My grandfather is from Poland and likes cheese.

Cheese is good.
 
Polygamists. And siblings.

:lol:

Now, I'm not comparing homosexuality to polygamy or incest, I'm just saying that I don't think the whole "we're being treated like second-class citizens!" argument works for the issue of gay marriage, since gays aren't exactly singled out and treated "unfairly". There are other groups in the same boat as them.

Polygamists and siblings have civil unions allowed by law? You're looking at the wrong boat. As I suspected.
 
All of which can be done without a marriage certificate.

Not true. Recently there was a case of a lesbian woman denied access to visit her partner who was dying in the hospital. Her partner died alone.

U.S. District Judge Adalberto Jordan dismissed a lawsuit yesterday, essentially finding that the Jackson Memorial Hospital was within its rights to leave a dying woman alone while denying her present and immediate family to visit her, be updated on her condition, or even to provide the hospital with medically necessary information.

Named in the now-dismissed suit were Jackson social worker Garnett Frederick and attending physicians Alois Zauner and Carlos Alberto Cruz, who made the decision not to allow Janice Langbehn, Lisa Pond’s partner, to have standard family access to information, even after receiving durable Power of Attorney and a Living Will naming Janice as legal guardian with authority to make end-of-life decisions.
http://blog.mattalgren.com/2009/09/hospital-forces-lesbian-to-die-alone/


Anyone have an idea of which way this vote is going to go? I don't know enough about Maine to predict.
 
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