[GS] Mali Discussion Thread

[SammyKhalifa]

Looks fun and very counter meta.

Well all their powers are cohesive and synergistic, which makes them perhaps too strong compared to others but also a fun strat to try.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

IS it one of the game-changing civ devs were talking to, à la Maori unable to train GW and beginning on water ?

Seems so. You work on desert, tiles that nobody want, and still manage to have some use to it. You produce nothing (except wonders), so it means you have to buy everything. You will want to enter golden Ages as soon as possible. Mines are WONDERFUL ! Seems like some sort of Nubia++ IMO.

 

[Harlequeen]

-30% to units and buildings is a heavy penalty.

 

[TomKQT]

Seems like another civ that is quite different from the "norm". Not as extremely as starting in the water, but this seems like a low production civ that relies on lots of money and the ability to buy everything. I think I like it.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Hello, desert Wakanda
So as it could be predicted Mali is all about money.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

I look at the leader screen and Mali get -30% production when constructing building and training units. So buildings and units will be more expensive to build?

That sounds like bad news combined with less production from mines.

they're clearly supposed to get a commercial hub up asap and buy things.

 

[Siptah]

Sankore University?

Pretty sure. That means that the mound is not a wonder.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Mali Civ icon:

 

[Giskler]

Sankore University?

Guess I'm eating my hat.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Sankore University?

It's either Sankore or Mosque of Djenne. Could be Sankore given it being placed at Education.

I knew they were hiding something (didn't make sense for Education to only unlock University)

 

[Naeshar]

A very exciting twist to me. However as gold and faith economies are already strong, I think this might be over the top.
Settling inside desert will not be a problem, and paradoxically, cities will grow much faster there at start (plus you can send a traders from there, as you will have many).
The mentioned downside -30% will however force them into economical beasts and I am not sure how AI deals with it.
I like how black he is, unlike the civ4 Arabic/Berberic interpretation.

 

[h0nk0815]

Mines receive -1 production. (BOO!!!)

I was reffering to the "-30% to units and buildings". It was not said in the video, I think

 

[Tech Osen]

I'm not a fan of desert tiles getting less production, it'd really hit you if you settler a city which is all desert. Though I suppose if your city is part desert it's not too bad.

From what I gather it's all mines, not just desert mines, that get les production.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

U of Sankore

 

[Siptah]

I'm surprised that they use the Egyptian city set.

 

[seasnake]

Extremely gold-heavy civ, but gold can be the most flexible yield. They'll be reminiscent of Venice in Civ V, extra trade routes and trade route bonuses, with you buying your way to almost anything (instead of building).

The real damage will be wonders, you won't be able to buy those.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

-30% to units and buildings is a heavy penalty.

I don't think it's going to matter. Gold is their hammers. The commercial hub is half price to them.

I think people are looking at them thinking of gameplay they'd use with other civs.

 

[Leathaface]

they're clearly supposed to get a commercial hub up asap and buy things.

They better get a whole lot of money because buildings are very expensive to purchase. Mali get a 20% discount, but that is still very expensive.

 

[tedhebert]

Well.... THAT's different... honestly not sure I like it... Fun to help out with desert tiles, but lower production ??? and reduced production when constructing building or training units ? What else is left exactly ? wonders ? are wonders considered buildings ?

Anyways... yes you'll be rich... but if people consider THIS OP, I wonder how they consdier 80% or the other civs...

Not very sure I,m a fan of the 2nd part of Sahel Merchant either. Fun when you're in a golden age, but when you fall back to normal age, you just have traders sleeping because you have more of them than operating slots ? not very efficient imho

 

[Uberfrog]

Musa looks pretty good! Although I wish they'd drop the "Mansa" from his in-game name, as it's a title equivalent to "king" or "sultan".

An interesting spin on his abilities too. I hope the production drop is made up for by the purchasing ability. The music was always going to be good, given the rich musical output of Mali that continues to this day (I hope for some desert blues in the Atomic theme!).

Also glad to see the Sankoré Madrasah back as a wonder.