Many Leaders Game

[Ozbenno]

Played to 800AD

Spoiler :

Capture a barb city Harappan with rice, sugar and banana. Good food city. One more city (Konya) built. Another barb city Anasazi captured.

Badly misjudged the Oracle, still not built. Start it up but just for the cash. Pick up 26gp once it falls in 125BC!

Research Code of Laws (founded confusion), Calendar (trade), Metal Casing, Archery (trade), Horseback Riding (trade), Monotheism (trade), Monarchy (trade), Civil Service, Machinery, Currency (trade), Construction and Paper.

Great Library built

One GS popped and academy built. 2nd is being saved for Education.

Shaka declares on Gandhi .

Once I got machinery I started the maces up catapults and crossbows as well. Shaka will be my target. He is currently minus Civil Service, Metal Casing and Construction but he does have Feudalism. Longbows still die against maces and catapults you know .

I managed to research at 100% the entire time, due to (deliberately) failed wonders, cheap courthouses and then Currency.

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[mice]

At 800 AD
Leader with...

Most total beakers; researched, traded, extorted or popped,

Mehemed with 8770 (plus a GS in the pocket)

Alexander only played 40 turns. He is bringing in 92 beakers/turn so in ten turns should have about 8600


Alexander. 7559. projected = 8600
Hannibal 7703
Victoria 6739
Brennus 5222
Augustus 4641


Most total commerce /turn
Hannibal 162
Victoria 124
Mehemed 94
Brennus 81
Augustus 67
Alexander 42

Most total Hammers / turn
Augustus

Most % land
Victoria

Most cities
Victoria

Most population (citizens)
Brennus

Most 'soldiers'
Brennus

Most wonders
Hannibal 4 + shrine


City with;

highest beakers/turn, Carthage/Istanbul - both 85/turn
highest raw commerce, Carthage
highest health , Hadrumetum (Carthaginian)
highest happiness, Carthage
highest shrinegold, Carthage
highest hammers/turn Neopolis

Notes, Hannibal has caravels nearly done, so those trade routes are going to open up even more.

Mehemed’s research tricks, if you didn’t read them, run at 100% through missing wonders intentionally, cheap courthouses and currency (I presume for merchants and selling techs?)
Interesting that these methods are beating Philosophical,(only just), and financial, financial/trade routes

Action notes,

Victoria - Shaka destroyed. At peace 10 cities

Brennus - Shaka destroyed, Gandhi sick 9 cities

Hannibal - No war yet 7 cities

Mehemed – No war but gearing up 7 cities

Augustus - No war yet 6 cities

Alexander - At war with Shaka 5 cities




Questions for Kanga. How do you deal with mercantilism when it starts to become popular as it sometimes does?
Also, are you timing an attack on civs on this continent with the opening up of new trade routes on the other?

Learning all the time. I noticed Pigswill built on the marble site on the south coast. He built a monument first, then a courthouse. The borders popped to allow marble for the Great library .I settled on the same spot but built a courthouse first, the border didn’t pop of course, and I don’t have marble for the GL..

Interesting that on the same map, in the same number of turns, I have about 53% of the tech that Ozbenno and fbelintani have. Lots for me to learn about research.
On the other hand I’m banking on the expansion I did to pay off. What’s the difference between teching quickly to maces/ crossbows then attacking longbows, as opposed to focusing on production and taking the same land early against archers??? I guess we will see.

Anyone thinking about a cultural victory?

 

[Ozbenno]

On the other hand I’m banking on the expansion I did to pay off. What’s the difference between teching quickly to maces/ crossbows then attacking longbows, as opposed to focusing on production and taking the same land early against archers??? I guess we will see.

I find a quick early expansion usually leaves you with a weaker economy longer term, as you probably don't have too much infrastructure built before expansion and then you struggle to catch up tech wise in the late game. In this game probably not a problem but if you fall behind in techs to a nutcase (Alex, GK, Qin) they'll be knocking on the door quick.

 

[Kanga_DU]

Questions for Kanga. How do you deal with mercantilism when it starts to become popular as it sometimes does?
Also, are you timing an attack on civs on this continent with the opening up of new trade routes on the other?

I'll answer the second question first.

Bwah Ha HAAAA!

I do favor a nice tech advantage when warring...

As to the first question, it depends. If it really does stifle the trade routes, then jumping into it yourself is sometime the best option, though I often find there is at least one other trading partner.

 

[mice]

I'm thinking, turnset 4: 50 turns, 2 days. Takes us to 1400 AD, Thursday.

Could see some blood letting all round.

no bites on the cultural victory?

The stats that I'm collecting are interesting for me.I hope for others too. I wonder if anyone has a veiw on which stat is very telling about an empires situation. Or maybe a combination of stats. What tells the story when you look at the demo screen or the other screens?


Any ideas?

 

[pigswill]

I think that the next set will be useful because we've got to the stage where its peaceful expansion followed by peaceful development (Hannibal, Mehmed, Augustus)to be followed by war of expansion next set or peaceful expansion, war of expansion (Victoria, Brennus) to be followed by peaceful development(Victoria) or maybe more war (Brennus).

 

[Tatran]

The stats that I'm collecting are interesting for me.I hope for others too. I wonder if anyone has a veiw on which stat is very telling about an empires situation.

Well, being number one in hammers maybe I didn't use them the right way.
And being Rome + having war elephants I lost an opportunity to clean
the continent early.

 

[FeedBack]

Guys, you may have seen my sig. I'll be OoP 'till Christmas. I'm not at home right now. I'll be back in town Thursday night only and I think I will not be able to play that many turns. Sorry. Let's hope I can install on the work's notebook tonight and play some.
So, Alex will be way behind the others. Maybe after this round we play less turns...

 

[mice]

Well, being number one in hammers maybe I didn't use them the right way.
And being Rome + having war elephants I lost an opportunity to clean
the continent early.

I see oyu're only just hooking up iron. that's a big setback for Rome. The preats will soon be fighting Longbows, but that's OK for them.

@Kanga_DU

I already see a huge difference in researching between our 2 games.

It's the trade routes. Carthage is pulling in 32 raw commerce per turn in trade alone.

I feel the same way comparing my game to the teach leaders. for example my commerce per turn isnt much lower than Ozbenno's, but he's way ahead in tech. Just comes down to experience I think.

fbelintani, if you cant get a save in we can close turnset 4 without yours and then maybe take a break for Christmas. Catch up when you can,no harm done.

As Pigswill said, the next set could get interesting as we see the foundations start to bear fruit and the wider strategies become clear.

I was dreaming when I thought we could get finished by Christmas. fbelintani suggested shorter turnsets. After 1400 I guess we can see what people want to do.

Also Hannibal's caravels will be revealing our nieghbours soon so for those who want to play it straight, caution when opening spoilers.

 

[Tatran]

Turns : 800-1400 AD

Spoiler :

820 AD (1)
Construction is known, start to research Compass.
Ask Shaka for Archery, he's willing to give it for free.

IBT 860 AD
Christianity has been founded somewhere.

IBT 900 AD
Napoleon changes religion, he's christian now.

940 AD (8)
Compass is known, start to research Metal Casting.

IBT 1010 AD
Napoleon declares war on Gandhi.

1040 AD (14)
Rome declares war on Napoleon.
Avignon razed.

1050 AD (15)
Metal Casting is known, start to research Machinery.

1110 AD (21)
Lose a suicide catapult on the attack of Tours.

The city is razed.

IBT 1120 AD
Buddhism is spread in Cumae.

1130 AD (23)
Arretium is founded.

1140 AD (24)
Machinery is known, start to research Optics.

This city is also razed.

1190 AD (29)
Optics is known, start to research Engineering.
Ask Gandhi for Mysticism, he agrees.

IBT 1250 AD
Gandhi makes peace with Napoleon.

1270 AD (37)
Lose 3 suicide catapults on the attack of Orleans.(Longbows on a hill is very ugly.)
Capture the christian holy city.
Michiel de Ruyter has been born in Rome, a Great General.

IBT 1280 AD
Gandhi wants Optics for free, no way.

1290 AD (39)
Nikolaus August Otto has been born Cumae, a Great Engineer.
Engineering is known, start to research Astronomy.

1340 AD (44)
Mediolanum founded.

1390 AD (49)
Rome earned the circumnavigation movement bonus.
No loses during the capture of Paris.

1400 AD (50)

Roosevelt owns Kagoshima, means Japan is in the game too. Meet Tokugawa.

The last leader must be Saladin, because an Arabian trireme is floating around
the American coast.

Well, the game is a diplomatic disaster, because of all the religions.

 

[mice]

Nearly 50 turns of peace and building, followed by another attack on Gandhi.
Neighbors met at the end of the set.

Spoiler :

Great Library built, and HE.

M casting , C.S , theology (trade) , Philosophy...

Currency (trade) Machinery (trade?,cant remember) feudalism (trade)Compass, Optics, caravels off...

Captured Dehli. Met the neighbors.


The other continent is all Confucian. Roosevelt (plesaed)will attack his neighbors for all my techs. Thinking about that.

Great moment as Dehli falls with an axemen at 52% taking down the defending knight

Lots of libraries,forges and missionaries. Then medieval military builds. Dehli has Hindu shrine.

 

[Ozbenno]

Spoiler :

Goals for this turn-set.

Engulf Zululand into Greater Turkey
Be first to Liberalism (want to take Steel but would settle for Chemistry)
Circumnavigate first and discover all other AIs.

Now the reality.

Research is Paper, Education (burned GS for part), Meditation (begged from Gandhi ), Philosophy (would have gone Compass here but Taoism not doiscovered), Feudalism (trade), Compass, Optics, Liberalism (stop 1 turn from finish), Engineering, Gunpowder, Chemistry, Liberalism (last 1 turn), Steel (from Liberalism), Guilds, Drama

I decided in 940AD that I was going to declare on Shaka the next turn and IBT he declared .... on Gandhi.

War declared on 960AD. I sell Shaka Currency for all his gold before I declare as this means he won't have any upgrade cash.

uMgungundlovu is taken in 1010 for the loss of 1 catapult. I raze Ondini in 1120AD. The war bogs down in a mess of WW (within about 5 turns ) so after taking kwaDukuza I get peace. Not quite the result I was after.

Discover Taoism.

We get another GS, I merge him in Istanbul. A GG builds an academy in Istanbul.

I meet Saladin, Tokogawa and Roosevelt. Unless there is a third small island that's all the AI. I also got the circumnavigation bonus.

My first cannons start to appear and the second Zulu war is about to start! I won't trade at all now. I'm about two military techs ahead (no-one else is at Education yet) so cannons and janissaries should roll everyone from here if I can handle the WW. It'll be interesting to see if I will need more than the area of our island for domination.

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[pigswill]

Quiet turnset:

Spoiler :

I was going for quiet set of growing cities, building cottages and improving research. Not a complete failure.
Circumnavigation in 1240.
Liberalism (astronomy) in 1340.
London doing ok as research/capital.
Sandhurst doing the business as military city.

Bit of Culture:

Bit of Research:

Boring Statistics:

Even More Boring Accounts:

Friendly with Gandhi and Roosevelt. Others cautious. Napoleon and Gandi have been at war and are furious with each other.

Plan:cruise towards rifling and next war vs Gandhi (only serious rival)

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[mice]

So with the season upon us it seems a break is in order. 3 games at 1400.

Shall we continue when the other saves come in after Christmas.

Merry Christmas to all those who dont hate it, and happy holidays to those who do.

I'm off to the beach for a swim.

 

[Kanga_DU]

Spoiler :

Well I gt sooo carried away I had to play an extra turn.

I resumed with a just vague idea to consolidate and see if a war opportunity opened up. As it was nothing came of that. However I'm reasonably happy with the progress. I've got a small tech lead which I hope to improve on, then I'll be ready to hopefully roll through on a quick war...



Logging by Ruff's Cobbled Mod Pack v2.0 (Warlords v2.08) - New Log Entries
Turn 150/460 (800 AD) [21-Dec-2006 22:35:43]
Kassite finishes: Maceman

IBT:

Turn 151/460 (820 AD) [21-Dec-2006 22:38:02]
Kassite begins: Jewish Missionary (2 turns)
Kerkouane begins: Lighthouse (30 turns)
Kerkouane begins: Monument (2 turns)
Carthage finishes: Caravel
Utica finishes: Worker
Hadrumetum grows: 6

Right on cue, I gat confirmation of the tech position:


I'd expected Gandhi as 2nd, not Nappy, however Gandhi will move past Nappy soon. Better and more land will see to that. I'm also going to leverage Castles and that trade route bonus. So I'll avoid Economics/Corporations for while. Chemistry is out for a while too (Temple of Artermis). I can get infantry without Chemistry? Can't remember just now.


IBT:

Turn 152/460 (840 AD) [21-Dec-2006 22:39:44]
Utica begins: Jewish Missionary (4 turns)
Research begun: Drama (5 Turns)
Hadrumetum finishes: Caravel
Hippo finishes: Worker
Kassite finishes: Jewish Missionary
Gepid grows: 4
Kerkouane's borders expand
Kerkouane finishes: Monument

IBT:

Turn 153/460 (860 AD) [21-Dec-2006 22:43:16]
Hadrumetum begins: Worker (6 turns)
Hippo begins: Forge (10 turns)
Kassite begins: Courthouse (5 turns)
Kerkouane begins: Granary (30 turns)
Carthage finishes: Caravel
Kassite grows: 8
Gepid finishes: Barracks

IBT:

Turn 154/460 (880 AD) [21-Dec-2006 22:45:41]
Gepid begins: Lighthouse (8 turns)
Gepid begins: Library (12 turns)

IBT:

Turn 155/460 (900 AD) [21-Dec-2006 22:48:55]
Carthage finishes: Barracks
Utica finishes: Jewish Missionary
Hadrumetum finishes: Worker
Gepid grows: 5

IBT:
Civics Change: Ghandi(India) from 'Barbarism' to 'Vassalage'

Turn 156/460 (920 AD) [21-Dec-2006 22:50:25]
Carthage begins: Walls (2 turns)
Utica begins: Granary (4 turns)
Hadrumetum begins: Forge (12 turns)
Gepid begins: Lighthouse (10 turns)
Gepid begins: Forge (20 turns)
Tech learned: Engineering Can't remember the trade I did for this.
Carthage grows: 12
Carthage finishes: Walls
Gepid finishes: Library

IBT:

Turn 157/460 (940 AD) [21-Dec-2006 22:52:47]
Carthage begins: Castle (3 turns)
Tech learned: Calendar
Research begun: Meditation (2 Turns)
Judaism has spread: Ulundi (Zulu Empire)
Contact made: American Empire
Tech learned: Meditation Trade with America for this...
Kassite's borders expand
Kassite finishes: Courthouse

IBT:
Attitude Change: Shaka(Zululand) towards Hannibal,Kanga_DU(Carthage), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 158/460 (960 AD) [21-Dec-2006 22:58:21]
Kassite begins: Jewish Monastery (3 turns)
Contact made: Arabian Empire
Judaism has spread: Bulawayo (Zulu Empire)
Tech learned: Drama
Utica grows: 8
Gepid grows: 4

IBT:

Turn 159/460 (980 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:01:08]
Research begun: Music (4 Turns)
Research begun: Feudalism (4 Turns)
Research begun: Guilds (4 Turns)
Kassite begins: Theatre (2 turns)
Carthage finishes: Castle
Utica finishes: Granary
Kassite finishes: Jewish Monastery

IBT:

Turn 160/460 (1000 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:03:55]
Carthage begins: Jewish Monastery (2 turns)
Utica begins: Maceman (6 turns)
Carthage finishes: Jewish Monastery
Hippo grows: 6
Kassite grows: 9

IBT:
Attitude Change: Saladin(Arabia) towards Shaka(Zululand), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 161/460 (1010 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:06:30]
Carthage begins: Maceman (3 turns)
Hadrumetum grows: 5
Kassite finishes: Theatre
Gepid grows: 5

IBT:
Civics Change: Shaka(Zululand) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'
Civics Change: Shaka(Zululand) from 'Barbarism' to 'Vassalage'

Turn 162/460 (1020 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:08:42]
Kassite begins: Maceman (3 turns)
Utica begins: Theatre (4 turns)
Tech learned: Feudalism
Carthage grows: 13
Hippo's borders expand
Hippo finishes: Forge

IBT:

Turn 163/460 (1030 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:10:16]
Hippo begins: Crossbowman (5 turns)
Hadrumetum begins: Library (9 turns)
Carthage finishes: Maceman
Gepid finishes: Lighthouse
Kerkouane finishes: Granary

IBT:

Turn 164/460 (1040 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:15:19]
Carthage begins: The Hagia Sophia (15 turns)
Kerkouane begins: Theatre (9 turns)
Kassite begins: Walls (2 turns)
Carthage begins: Pikeman (2 turns)
Carthage begins: Maceman (3 turns)
Kassite begins: The Hagia Sophia (22 turns)
Kassite finishes: Maceman

IBT:
Civics Change: Roosevelt(America) from 'Barbarism' to 'Vassalage'

Turn 165/460 (1050 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:19:40]
Carthage finishes: Maceman
Utica finishes: Theatre

IBT:
Civics Change: Saladin(Arabia) from 'Vassalage' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 166/460 (1060 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:21:57]
Carthage begins: Trebuchet (3 turns)
Utica begins: Jewish Monastery (4 turns)
Contact made: Japanese Empire
Ruff_Hi: Thats the full contingent found now.

Our continent is research ahead of them, however I'll use America for old tech trades. I might get a trading bonus along with OB that improves the relations a bit as well...

Carthage grows: 14
Hadrumetum finishes: Forge
Kassite grows: 10
Kassite finishes: Walls
Gepid grows: 6

IBT:
Civics Change: Ghandi(India) from 'Theocracy' to 'Organized Religion'

Turn 167/460 (1070 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:24:50]
Carthage finishes: Trebuchet
Utica grows: 9
Hippo finishes: Crossbowman
Gepid's borders expand

IBT:

Turn 168/460 (1080 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:26:11]
Carthage begins: Theatre (2 turns)
Hippo begins: Library (6 turns)
Ruff_Hi: Circumnav done!


Shakka's also put a city in a truly annoying location, I've had to stuff cultural builds into Kassite, I want to make sure he doesn't have copper (if only because I'm trading it to him ) I was also hoping to pinch the marble... that didn't pan out in the end, but I still make a try for Hagia Sofia.

Research begun: Paper (4 Turns)
Research begun: Guilds (1 Turns)
Research begun: Paper (1 Turns)
Tech learned: Guilds
Kerkouane grows: 3

IBT:

Turn 169/460 (1090 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:30:59]
Gepid begins: Cothon (7 turns)


Remeber that copper I mentioned?
Ruff_Hi: Finally remember to renegotiate copper-rice deal for +7 gold
Carthage grows: 15
Carthage finishes: Theatre
Ibn Battuta (Merchant) (Great Merchant) born in Carthage
Utica finishes: Maceman
Hadrumetum grows: 6
Hippo grows: 7
Kerkouane finishes: Theatre

IBT:
Attitude Change: Shaka(Zululand) towards Hannibal,Kanga_DU(Carthage), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 170/460 (1100 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:34:48]
Carthage begins: Grocer (4 turns)
Kerkouane begins: Forge (120 turns)
Ruff_Hi: What to do with GM? Merge, trade or lightbulb banking - will wait a few
Hadrumetum finishes: Library
Hippo finishes: Library
Gepid finishes: Forge

IBT:
Attitude Change: Tokugawa(Japan) towards Hannibal,Kanga_DU(Carthage), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 171/460 (1110 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:40:17]
Hadrumetum begins: Lighthouse (5 turns)
Hippo begins: Longbowman (5 turns)
Research begun: Philosophy (1 Turns)
Tech learned: Paper
Gepid grows: 7

IBT:
Attitude Change: Tokugawa(Japan) towards Shaka(Zululand), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Civics Change: Napoleon(France) from 'Barbarism' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 172/460 (1120 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:43:10]
Utica grows: 10
Kerkouane grows: 3

IBT:

Turn 173/460 (1130 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:44:56]
Tech learned: Philosophy
Carthage finishes: Grocer
Utica finishes: Jewish Monastery
Kassite grows: 11

IBT:
Islam founded in a distant land
Research begun: Education (8 Turns)

Turn 174/460 (1140 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:46:27]
Carthage begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
Utica begins: Catapult (4 turns)
Ruff_Hi: Settle the GM @ Carth in the end...
Carthage grows: 16
Hippo finishes: Longbowman

IBT:
Attitude Change: Saladin(Arabia) towards Roosevelt(America), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'

Turn 175/460 (1150 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:51:01]
Hippo begins: Longbowman (5 turns)
Carthage finishes: War Elephant
Hadrumetum finishes: Lighthouse
Hippo grows: 8

IBT:

Turn 176/460 (1160 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:53:05]
Carthage begins: Longbowman (2 turns)
Hadrumetum begins: Walls (5 turns)
Gepid begins: Jewish Monastery (4 turns)
Carthage finishes: Longbowman
Utica's borders expand
Utica finishes: Catapult
Gepid grows: 8
Gepid finishes: Cothon

IBT:

Turn 177/460 (1170 AD) [21-Dec-2006 23:57:08]
Carthage begins: Stable (2 turns)
Utica begins: Jewish Missionary (4 turns)
Gepid begins: Theatre (3 turns)
Utica grows: 11
Hadrumetum grows: 7
Kerkouane grows: 4

IBT:
Judaism has spread: kwaDukuza (Zulu Empire)

Turn 178/460 (1180 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:02:41]
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Carthage finishes: Stable
Hadrumetum finishes: Walls
Hippo finishes: Longbowman

IBT:

Turn 179/460 (1190 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:05:24]
Carthage begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
Hadrumetum begins: Castle (5 turns)
Hippo begins: Theatre (3 turns)
Utica finishes: Jewish Missionary
Gepid finishes: Jewish Monastery

IBT:

Turn 180/460 (1200 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:08:34]
Utica begins: Grocer (10 turns)
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Carthage grows: 17
Carthage finishes: War Elephant

IBT:

Turn 181/460 (1210 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:10:52]
Carthage begins: Trebuchet (3 turns)
Tech learned: Education
Hadrumetum finishes: Castle
Hippo finishes: Theatre
Kerkouane grows: 5
Kerkouane's borders expand

IBT:

Turn 182/460 (1220 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:12:52]
Research begun: Nationalism (7 Turns)
Hadrumetum begins: Longbowman (3 turns)
Hippo begins: Catapult (3 turns)
Carthage begins: University (6 turns)
Judaism has spread: Nongoma (Zulu Empire)
Research begun: Literature (1 Turns)
Tech learned: Literature
Carthage finishes: Trebuchet
Gepid finishes: Theatre

IBT:
Research begun: Music (2 Turns)

Turn 183/460 (1230 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:17:45]
Gepid begins: Walls (3 turns)
Utica grows: 12

IBT:

Turn 184/460 (1240 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:20:14]
Tech learned: Music
Carthage's borders expand
Hadrumetum finishes: Longbowman
Hippo grows: 9
Hippo finishes: Catapult
Kassite finishes: The Hagia Sophia
Kerkouane grows: 4
Kerkouane finishes: Forge

IBT:
Civics Change: Ghandi(India) from 'Vassalage' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 185/460 (1250 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:22:35]

I'm still clear Paper (for Liberalism slingshot):

I want to snag Military Tradition, once I've a few cavalry I'm thinking Gandhi is the best target...

Research begun: Nationalism (6 Turns)
Hadrumetum begins: University (10 turns)
Hippo begins: Catapult (3 turns)
Kassite begins: Castle (4 turns)
Kerkouane begins: Cothon (15 turns)
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Gepid grows: 9
Gepid finishes: Walls

IBT:

Turn 186/460 (1260 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:31:05]
Gepid begins: Castle (6 turns)
Hippo finishes: Catapult

IBT:

Turn 187/460 (1270 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:33:18]
Hippo begins: Jewish Monastery (4 turns)
Hippo begins: Maceman (5 turns)
Carthage grows: 18
Kassite finishes: Castle
Kerkouane grows: 5
This gets a no thanks:


IBT:
Civics Change: Tokugawa(Japan) from 'Vassalage' to 'Bureaucracy'
Civics Change: Shaka(Zululand) from 'Vassalage' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 188/460 (1280 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:37:22]
Kassite begins: University (7 turns)
Carthage finishes: University

IBT:
Attitude Change: Ghandi(India) towards Saladin(Arabia), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 189/460 (1290 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:41:57]
Carthage begins: Courthouse (4 turns)
Utica finishes: Grocer

IBT:

Turn 190/460 (1300 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:45:17]
Utica begins: Longbowman (5 turns)
Tech learned: Nationalism
Utica grows: 13
Hadrumetum grows: 8
Kassite's borders expand

IBT:
Research begun: Liberalism (5 Turns)
Attitude Change: Ghandi(India) towards Roosevelt(America), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Civics Change: Roosevelt(America) from 'Vassalage' to 'Bureaucracy'
Civics Change: Roosevelt(America) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'

Turn 191/460 (1310 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:47:25]
Kerkouane begins: Lighthouse (9 turns)
Carthage finishes: Courthouse
Abu Bakr (Prophet) (Great Prophet) born in Carthage
Hippo grows: 10
Hippo finishes: Maceman
Gepid finishes: Castle
Kerkouane grows: 5
Kerkouane finishes: Cothon

IBT:
Attitude Change: Napoleon(France) towards Hannibal,Kanga_DU(Carthage), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Religious differences and close borders.

Turn 192/460 (1320 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:51:15]
Carthage begins: Pikeman (2 turns)
Hippo begins: Trebuchet (5 turns)
Gepid begins: Trebuchet (7 turns)
Ruff_Hi: Merge GP to Carthage
Ruff_Hi: Promising - a revolt in Ondini


IBT:

Turn 193/460 (1330 AD) [22-Dec-2006 00:56:08]
Research begun: Gunpowder (5 Turns)
Research begun: Liberalism (5 Turns)
Research begun: Liberalism (3 Turns)
Ruff_Hi: Lose OB with Nappy... oh well he might be stupid enough to attack
Tech learned: Theology
Carthage finishes: Pikeman
Utica finishes: Longbowman

IBT:

Turn 194/460 (1340 AD) [22-Dec-2006 01:01:12]
Carthage begins: Pikeman (2 turns)
Utica begins: Catapult (4 turns)
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Ruff_Hi: Pop a copper mine @ Hadrumetum
Kassite finishes: University
Gepid grows: 10

IBT:

Turn 195/460 (1350 AD) [22-Dec-2006 01:05:55]
Kassite begins: The Taj Mahal (24 turns)
Tech learned: Liberalism
Carthage finishes: Pikeman
Hadrumetum finishes: University
Kassite grows: 12
Kerkouane finishes: Lighthouse

IBT:
Research begun: Gunpowder (4 Turns)
Attitude Change: Roosevelt(America) towards Tokugawa(Japan), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 196/460 (1360 AD) [22-Dec-2006 01:09:17]
Tech learned: Military Tradition
Carthage begins: Trebuchet (3 turns)
Hadrumetum begins: Theatre (4 turns)
Kerkouane begins: Library (10 turns)
Tech learned: Banking
Carthage begins: Bank (5 turns)
Carthage grows: 19
Hippo finishes: Trebuchet
Kerkouane grows: 6

IBT:
Attitude Change: Tokugawa(Japan) towards Hannibal,Kanga_DU(Carthage), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'

Turn 197/460 (1370 AD) [22-Dec-2006 01:18:02]
Hippo begins: Catapult (3 turns)
Utica finishes: Catapult
Hadrumetum grows: 9
Hadrumetum finishes: Theatre

IBT:
Civics Change: Napoleon(France) from 'Decentralization' to 'Mercantilism'

Turn 198/460 (1380 AD) [22-Dec-2006 01:19:06]
Utica begins: Catapult (4 turns)
Hadrumetum begins: Catapult (3 turns)
Utica grows: 14
Hippo finishes: Catapult

IBT:
Civics Change: Ghandi(India) from 'Decentralization' to 'Mercantilism'

Turn 199/460 (1390 AD) [22-Dec-2006 01:23:04]
Hippo begins: Jewish Monastery (3 turns)
Tech learned: Gunpowder
Utica finishes: Catapult
Gepid finishes: Trebuchet

IBT:

Turn 200/460 (1400 AD) [22-Dec-2006 01:25:22]
Research begun: Constitution (6 Turns)
Utica begins: Cavalry (8 turns)
Gepid begins: Cavalry (12 turns)
Gepid begins: University (17 turns)
Carthage finishes: Bank
Hadrumetum finishes: Catapult

IBT:
Attitude Change: Napoleon(France) towards Roosevelt(America), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Attitude Change: Roosevelt(America) towards Napoleon(France), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 201/460 (1410 AD) [22-Dec-2006 01:28:36]
Carthage begins: Cavalry (4 turns)
Hadrumetum begins: Cavalry (8 turns)



Ok I played one to many turns, meh, so bite me. Got all excited at the new horseys to breed... I also for the most part laid off the whip, I wanted the cities to grow, grow, grow. I probably should move out of slavery... maybe once I have democracy I'll see my option.

Look! De save! De save!
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/80073/Hannibal_Kanga_DU_AD-1410.CivWarlordsSave

 

[vra379971]

Hello..erm, may I have Victoria, England?

 

[vra379971]

Ignore this post...

 

[mice]

Vicky's taken, by the mighty Pigswill. Pick again, and great that you are in the game. I've got a Ramesses save all ready because Cabert bailed out, but any other leader is OK.

 

[mice]

Isabella has joined the fray in the form of vra37991.
save is below.

Isabella, expansive, spiritual.

Brennus is spiritual and founded Buddhism.

Expansive, Mehemed also expansive has gone for peaceful expansion, if your not a barbarian. There's good land to take off the barbs if you dont want to war. Victoria ,Augustus,and Alexander have attacked a near neighbor, and Brennus has gone on the warpath more or less constantly.Hannibal also peceful so far

You have fishing to which is good for this map.

I guess we'll see soon your playstyle. It's Prince BTW.

Play is up to 1400 AD. Post 3 saves or just your 1400 one, as you like.

 

[Tatran]

Next 25 turns, 1400-1575 AD

Spoiler :

1470 AD (7)
Astronomy is known, start to research Civil Service.

IBT 1480 AD
Islam has been founded in Madras.

1490 AD (9)

Start to research Paper.

IBT 1490 AD
Tokugawa demands 190 gold. He must be thinking that I'm crazy.

Start to research Printing Press.
Hmm, Gandhi isn't willing to give some cheap techs for free, very annoying.

1510 AD (12)
Gandhi refuses give Drama for Paper, well let's make this deal.
And sell him crab for some gpt.

IBT 1510 AD
Saladin declares war on Tokugawa.

IBT 1515 AD
Roosevelt also declares war on Tokugawa.

1530 AD (16)
Ivan the Terrible has been born in Antium, another GG.

The city is razed. One to go and Napoleon is history.

1540 AD (18)
Sell cow to Roosevelt and Saladin for gpt.

IBT 1540 AD
Tokugawa is the first to know Liberalism and again he picks up Astronomy
as a free tech.

1550 AD (20)
Printing Press is known, start to research Education.

1555 AD (21)

Start to research Scientific Method.

1560 AD (22)

I gave the city back to Gandhi. Napoleon is gone.

1565 AD (23)

Switch research towards Liberalism.