Thanks, I'd like to have a look once my line is fixed (or once I get a line installed from a competitor, which would probably be quicker)
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Thanks, I'd like to have a look once my line is fixed (or once I get a line installed from a competitor, which would probably be quicker)
Yes indeed, I want to encourage exploration with big useful units. Greater reward but possibly greater risk. Of course a player can still decide to use exploration as a "rite of passage" for basic units, but explerienced adventurers will tend to get better results.
I might make it so that all units on a plot which are not in guard/sleep mode are sent in to explore. So it's ok to put units to sleep "outside" and everyone else ventures inside. There would still have to be a lead adventurer, which is the one who "clicks the icon", and most results will apply to that unit.
I would probably look for specific promotions - it is possible to add results to the list based on promotions on explorers, as well as having extra results for certain attributes.
PapaMonkey
Warlord
This sounds REALLY great and I'd be thrilled to give it a go. Are you thinking of the adventurer switch was a promotion so that any unit could get it? This would allow different missions based on the baseline unit (assassin missions vs Order priest missions vs Beastmaster missions). Oh the possibilities are truely endless! What fun!
Yeah the trouble with endless possibilities, is figuring out where to start 
Good idea about different options for different adventurer types, it means when you get a popup "the governer of Cityville have been assassinated" it might actually have been another player's adventurer that did it!
Good idea about different options for different adventurer types, it means when you get a popup "the governer of Cityville have been assassinated" it might actually have been another player's adventurer that did it!
Skitters
Prince
...could you go so far as to have naval adventurers? Could perhaps dip into some of the FF code for Lanun Boarding parties to allow them to venture inland a little, but would also give a unit suited to exploring sunken treasure/Aifon's Isle.
There could perhaps be missions to chart the coast of a continent, cross Erebus, find Aifons Isle (if in game), find Marnok's Isle (....a little island that is spawned within uncharted ocean), find the Barb pirate ship, save the crew from the Bunty (...the porkier little sister ship of the Bounty)
For landlubber missions
Recon units could be given missions to chart unknown territory or a third party city (ie; neither your own, or the civ the city belongs to)
For this the unit would be given a parchment item, which upon reaching the target tile fire up a clickable button, that allows the parchment to be converted to a Map (only action that can be made that turn). Return the map to the city where the mission was gained to get a benefit. If making a map in a third party city there could be a risk of arrest, if a map of a hitherto unknown tile there could be the risk a Barb unit(s) is spawned.
Other suggestions
Collect an item/parchment from x city, and deliver it to y city (ideally with uncontrolled, barb rich territory between them). The item would act as a flag to Barbarian units to attack the unit. Perhaps the unit has an option to read the parchment, with a risk that it turns him/her criminal but a bonus that it temporarily reveals a civs troops emplacements, or makes all the civs cities viewable for a turn or reveals a wagon train shipping gold between the two cities?
Kill the CrimeLord mission - spawns a not-quite-a-Barb unit within the cultural borders of the civ where the Adventurer has spawned the mission (perhaps use Treasure chest code?). Kill the crime lord to win a ransom. Could perhaps be extended where it helps return the Governors daughter (...with a risk of upon killing the crime lord, the Adventurer runs of with the daughter)
There could perhaps be missions to chart the coast of a continent, cross Erebus, find Aifons Isle (if in game), find Marnok's Isle (....a little island that is spawned within uncharted ocean), find the Barb pirate ship, save the crew from the Bunty (...the porkier little sister ship of the Bounty)
For landlubber missions
Recon units could be given missions to chart unknown territory or a third party city (ie; neither your own, or the civ the city belongs to)
For this the unit would be given a parchment item, which upon reaching the target tile fire up a clickable button, that allows the parchment to be converted to a Map (only action that can be made that turn). Return the map to the city where the mission was gained to get a benefit. If making a map in a third party city there could be a risk of arrest, if a map of a hitherto unknown tile there could be the risk a Barb unit(s) is spawned.
Other suggestions
Collect an item/parchment from x city, and deliver it to y city (ideally with uncontrolled, barb rich territory between them). The item would act as a flag to Barbarian units to attack the unit. Perhaps the unit has an option to read the parchment, with a risk that it turns him/her criminal but a bonus that it temporarily reveals a civs troops emplacements, or makes all the civs cities viewable for a turn or reveals a wagon train shipping gold between the two cities?
Kill the CrimeLord mission - spawns a not-quite-a-Barb unit within the cultural borders of the civ where the Adventurer has spawned the mission (perhaps use Treasure chest code?). Kill the crime lord to win a ransom. Could perhaps be extended where it helps return the Governors daughter (...with a risk of upon killing the crime lord, the Adventurer runs of with the daughter)
No problems, ( on the isle of wight, BT have to come out by stage coach past highway men, and still not heard of fibre optical connection....) ive added them, a couple of differnet Adventurees, ie with book or weapon, into FFH along with a Beholder, so with post a screen shot next week.
http://hosted.filefront.com/HannyIOW/
new folder rar, has two units for adventurers. And a screenshoot rar for one of them in game.
new folder rar, has two units for adventurers. And a screenshoot rar for one of them in game.
http://www.marnok.com/Civ4/MarnokMod.rar
Don't get too excited - I just decided to bundle up what I have at the moment in a pretty-much-working state and post it so I can say I've started
I'm calling this 2.0x - Id be greatful if players could download and test it for obvious problems before I move on. Basically what we have:
in settings.py:
Don't get too excited - I just decided to bundle up what I have at the moment in a pretty-much-working state and post it so I can say I've started
I'm calling this 2.0x - Id be greatful if players could download and test it for obvious problems before I move on. Basically what we have:
in settings.py:
- ability to adjust lair placement
- all unique features active
- ability to decide which improvements are explorable
- can adjust which types of creatures will own each lair type (so you could set Dungeons to produce Balors if you wanted!)
- some other stuff
Spoiler :
![[to_xp]Gekko](https://civfanatics-data.community.forum/avatars/m/74/74677.jpg?1475248346){kind=avatar}
[to_xp]Gekko
QCT junkie
nice I'll try this and give some proper feedback. 
I'll try this and give some proper feedback. 
skallben
Diplomat
Very nice ideas. This makes me think of the old game Warlords and the dangerous mapfeatures you could send your heroes inside
Blackmantle
King
3 Issues from major to minor:
Ancient Towers (the non-explorable ones or the ones left after they are explored) are non-razeable and don't advance into castles / citadels as well so there really is no way of getting rid of them.
This is truly annoying as it can very well be that up to 2 or 3 are in a cities fat cross rendering those tiles rather useless...
Might be in the current version of Main FFH though and not exclusively in your modmod. Don't know for sure. If so and you can change it please do... (and it should be doable as both razeability and upgradeablity have been part of the game sometime recently...)
From time to time (seemingly random but happened about 5-10 times already in about 200 turns...) a barb goblin scout takes my capital relocating the garison right next to it (might it stem from spawns inside borders or things being pushed aside by cultural expansion? Just a wild guess. Sadly it doesn't seem fully and reliably repeatable). Rather annoying but can be fixed by a simple autosave reload. Still would be rather helpful if the reason for it could be found and the thing fixed... (and no its not an invisible one taking the capital as no combat is displayed in the log and some of the captures have displaced 2 or even as much as 3! units at once with just a single goblin in the capital...)
I had the odd hangup after exploring a lair. Just once and non-repeatable. Had to axe the program once. Perhaps one of the results is off and causing this... ?
Otherwise it works like a charm for me (and feels much more organical now that the lairs are part of the main mod, no real oddities anymore... The city ruins as lairs also really play out nice. Thanks a lot for implementing that and shows me how well it works even without the ruins evolving into something else just as they are...), even though the monsters seem a bit flimsy compared to the old versions but I'm sure you'll get different difficulty-settings up sooner or later... 
Much kudos as always to your outstanding work.
Still some Lairs for the deep seas might be rather neat.
Ancient Towers (the non-explorable ones or the ones left after they are explored) are non-razeable and don't advance into castles / citadels as well so there really is no way of getting rid of them.
This is truly annoying as it can very well be that up to 2 or 3 are in a cities fat cross rendering those tiles rather useless...
Might be in the current version of Main FFH though and not exclusively in your modmod. Don't know for sure. If so and you can change it please do... (and it should be doable as both razeability and upgradeablity have been part of the game sometime recently...)
From time to time (seemingly random but happened about 5-10 times already in about 200 turns...) a barb goblin scout takes my capital relocating the garison right next to it (might it stem from spawns inside borders or things being pushed aside by cultural expansion? Just a wild guess. Sadly it doesn't seem fully and reliably repeatable). Rather annoying but can be fixed by a simple autosave reload. Still would be rather helpful if the reason for it could be found and the thing fixed... (and no its not an invisible one taking the capital as no combat is displayed in the log and some of the captures have displaced 2 or even as much as 3! units at once with just a single goblin in the capital...)
I had the odd hangup after exploring a lair. Just once and non-repeatable. Had to axe the program once. Perhaps one of the results is off and causing this... ?
Otherwise it works like a charm for me (and feels much more organical now that the lairs are part of the main mod, no real oddities anymore... The city ruins as lairs also really play out nice. Thanks a lot for implementing that and shows me how well it works even without the ruins evolving into something else just as they are...
), even though the monsters seem a bit flimsy compared to the old versions but I'm sure you'll get different difficulty-settings up sooner or later... Much kudos as always to your outstanding work.
Still some Lairs for the deep seas might be rather neat.
Fixed in version I am struggling to get released
Fixed in version I am struggling to get released
- this one was a flaw in the "clear starting areas" bit, it cleared the improvement but not the spawning!
Could be, but I'm not sure. I haven't seen this
Otherwise it works like a charm for me (and feels much more organical now that the lairs are part of the main mod, no real oddities anymore... The city ruins as lairs also really play out nice. Thanks a lot for implementing that and shows me how well it works even without the ruins evolving into something else just as they are...
Much kudos as always to your outstanding work.
Still some Lairs for the deep seas might be rather neat.
Thanks for testing and the feedback! I am currently putting the finishing touches to what I will call 2.1, though it will need to be kicked around a bit by brave volunteers to make sure it works right. What I will try to do, is get it mostly working and upload later today. Then I can test it and with a bit of luck, others will test too and help me pick up all the odd bits.
Remembr if you want more difficulty, you can always play with the settings.py. Putting Ogres in the initial spawn list for Dungeons might be fun
skallben
Diplomat
How hard would it be to merge this mod with, say FiRe or Fall Further?
On a scale of 1 to Hard, about a Hard.
I'm not going to try, unless I finish everything I want to do and decide to start on a Frankenmod merging everything I can!
Of course, any modder is welcome to take what I've done and include it, or versions of it, in their mod. Maybe wait until it's a bit more stable though.
Thanks for the feedback - this is now updated, I am calling it MarnokMod2.1 - but I have not had time to test thoroughly, so please be aware! I'll be going to sleep shortly after uploading and posting this so no fixes for a few hours. I ran a game for a few turns and didn't encounter and real badness. There's a great potential though for silly mistakes!
Changes from last upload, apart from problem fixes noted earlier:
24/11/08
- Blocked pick up of equipment on an explorable lair. Need to clear the lair to claim the equipment.
- Various changes to Boss / Henchman spawning to allow "themed lairs"
- When a Boss spawns a Henchman, that Henchman can become the spawn type for the lair
- Henchmen can have a special shared Promotion; all units spawned by that lair will have the same Promotion. Example, they might all be Nomads
- Units will be renamed with a special "clan" name based on Boss name
Spoiler :
17/11/08
- 'Support the Clans' now forces a unit to spawn in created lair
- added 4th option to Graveyard event to allow player to choose Haunted Graveyard. This is explorable and spawns Undead - if you don't pay for a proper graveyard, these things will happen!
- added event to spawn Boss types in Ruins, Barrows, Mysterious Towers, Dungeons with callback handler
- added note to settings.py that, for this event to work with user-modified explorable lairs, this event's xml will need to be changed.
- added callback function for spawn boss event
- merged marnok.py into CustomFunctions.py
- added various dungeon exploration events inspired by forum posts by Veridian, OrgoneBox, cabbagemeister, Jabie. Thanks for all the suggestions, I have implemented the ones I had time for and which fit the themes I was aiming for. Others will follow...
- added Lost promotion, basically a copy of Held.
- replaced "failed to return" event, modified from idea by Fafnir13 - unit now becomes "lost", "barbarian" and "invisible to all".
Spoiler :
- "lost" individuals will be freed or killed when lair is destroyed, creating a Schroedinger's Adventurer situation!
- "lost" individuals have a small chance to die, gain XP, gain a promotion, or free themselves each turn.
Spoiler :
[to_xp]Gekko
QCT junkie
this sounds sweet, thanx Marnok. and good job on axing that infamous "failed to return" event, everybody hates that
oops - safe to download now. Just found about 50 bugs (an older version of a fle crept in)
I think I have ironed out the worst of them, and re-uploaded, please report any errors etc here so I can fix them tomorrow and everyone can have a bug-free version.
I think I have ironed out the worst of them, and re-uploaded, please report any errors etc here so I can fix them tomorrow and everyone can have a bug-free version.
giddion
Crusader
Can you post a link in the first post of this thread?
Thanks
Thanks
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