Michael Jackson dead at 50

[chad187]

We have lost the modern mozzart.

 

[aelf]

We have lost the modern mozzart.

Yup, the mozzies, ancient and modern, really turned up the heat.

 

[BirraImperial]

The real odd thing I see about this entire thing is now that MJ is dead, he was (insert word here) to everyone. That is, every news outlet, every comment, is about how great he was, and blah, blah, blah, while over the last decade or so, they continually treated him like a freak and deservedly so.

I dont get it.

He died somewhere between 400 and 500 million dollars in debt. And to be honest, when I heard about him going to the hospital, I actually thought he was doing it to avoid another court date - he faked illness many times as an excuse for that. And I dont believe for one instant that he was on the 'verge' of a huge comeback and going to make huge bank. His last few musical offerings tanked pretty badly, and he absolutely hasnt been the model of consistency over the last 5 years or so.

I say this as I really liked Michael Jackson....before he got weird and before the media tore him apart the way they did. I see a lot of file footage from his Jackson 5 days, and I cant help thinking 'what the heck happened'....

Well, it's like when you go to a funeral, you never hear negative stuff about the deceased, only comments like "he / she was such a good person", "good father/mother", etc etc.
While MJ had been a mere shadow of himself for well over a decade now, there was a time when he was truly a superstar, probably the biggest of our time; and I'll remember him that way.

 

[useless]

Well, thats one less pedophile, no offence.

 

[PieceOfMind]

Well, thats one less pedophile, no offence.

You don't know that.

And for the record, paedophilia is not a crime - child molestation is. To my knowledge MJ was never convicted. MJ was a strange man but people are too quick to assume the worst. Do you not agree that he was particularly vulnerable to such allegations because of his wealth and his nature? If it weren't for the media beat up it's quite possible you would not have made this judgement.

 

[useless]

He still slept with little boys, regardless of what he may or may not have done, it's disgusting. If anyone else did it, you would be suspicious.

 

[PieceOfMind]

He still slept with little boys, regardless of what he may or may not have done, it's disgusting.

Many are of that opinion. If a little boy sleeps in the bed of his father, is that disgusting? You have every right to consider that questionable or suspicious - many would. But it doesn't tell you he was a paedophile nor a child molester.

If anyone else did it, you would be suspicious.

For most people it would be very suspicious, yes. As strange as MJ's behaviour was around kids, it's very possible it was just a caring gesture.

As I said earlier, I think it is sad that most people will almost always assume the worst. What I think is disgusting is the general insistence of society that if a man has anything to do with young children then he must be treated as suspicious. No wonder there are so few male primary school teachers any more.

Because MJ was such a strange/unpredictable personality, he was an easy target.

 

[useless]

He still slept with young boys and even invited them into his bedroom. It's still suspicious, regardless of what you may say.

 

[cubsfan6506]

It's very suspicious but I'm inclined to say it was just a result of his warped child hood.

 

[Narz]

He still slept with young boys and even invited them into his bedroom. It's still suspicious, regardless of what you may say.

Doesn't necessarily mean he sexual abused them though. An adult sleeping in the same bed with a kid is not really that horrific (though it definitely should warrant investigation if it's not your own kid).

 

[useless]

Doesn't necessarily mean he sexual abused them though. An adult sleeping in the same bed with a kid is not really that horrific (though it definitely should warrant investigation if it's not your own kid).

I understand what you're saying, but it's still rather Risque.

 

[Narz]

Of course. Especially when you're paying the parent to do it (IIRC MJ did that). Whether he was a molester or not I don't know. Either way I feel sorry for all involved. I would NOT want to be that kid having to goto class everyday & hear about that ****.

 

[Danielos]

I don´t think he was really a pedophile. I see Michael Jackson more as an asexual human and a little child trapped in a middle-aged man´s body. I don´t think he had his Neverland themepark because he wanted to pick up little children, but because he was like a little child himself! In any case, the man definietly didn´t help to ease the speculations with his weird looks and seclusive lifestyle.

 

[Yonkers]

I think,

although he was a star in the sky Michael Jackson was never really happy in his life.

 

[MobBoss]

You don't know that.

Yeah...and we dont know that OJ actually did it either.

Come on....if you werent a pedophile would you give some kids family 25 million dollars in hush money?

And for the record, paedophilia is not a crime - child molestation is.

To my knowledge MJ was never convicted. MJ was a strange man but people are too quick to assume the worst. Do you not agree that he was particularly vulnerable to such allegations because of his wealth and his nature? If it weren't for the media beat up it's quite possible you would not have made this judgement.

I know it may come as a shock to you, but sometimes even superstars break the law and commit crimes. And then they use that wealth to avoid punishment for what they did.

 

[PieceOfMind]

Yeah...and we dont know that OJ actually did it either.

Come on....if you werent a pedophile would you give some kids family 25 million dollars in hush money?

Hmm actually I might need to take back what I said. Previously it was my understanding that a paedophile was not necessarily one who had already engaged in acts of sexual abuse. However it seems the word is now more commonly used for someone who has been convicted of sexual abuse. In any case, you shouldn't vilify someone for sexual orientation - desires they arguably have no control over. You can however judge someone if by acting upon their urges they break the law or harm someone. In that sense, people who have paedophilic thoughts (which would obviously be greater than or equal to the number of people who act upon them) but do not act on them are not criminals.

I know it may come as a shock to you, but sometimes even superstars break the law and commit crimes. And then they use that wealth to avoid punishment for what they did.

Of course. Do you think I would be that naive? It may also come as a shock to you that people who are so wealthy appear to be juicy targets for lucrative court cases. If I were wealthy enough to throw 25 million around, it might be worth spending that much to avoid a false-conviction which is always possible in a legal system that is not 100% perfect. Especially if you consider the way MJ would donate money very regularly, wanting to settle a case outside of court does not necessarily suggest he was guilty.

 

[MobBoss]

Hmm actually I might need to take back what I said. Previously it was my understanding that a paedophile was not necessarily one who had already engaged in acts of sexual abuse. However it seems the word is now more commonly used for someone who has been convicted of sexual abuse. In any case, you shouldn't vilify someone for sexual orientation - desires they arguably have no control over.

Pedophilia isnt a 'sexual orientation'. Its a perversion and a crime if committed.

Of course. Do you think I would be that naive? It may also come as a shock to you that people who are so wealthy appear to be juicy targets for lucrative court cases. If I were wealthy enough to throw 25 million around, it might be worth spending that much to avoid a false-conviction which is always possible in a legal system that is not 100% perfect. Especially if you consider the way MJ would donate money very regularly, wanting to settle a case outside of court does not necessarily suggest he was guilty.

If he were that innocent, why not hire a great attorney like OJ did and just beat the rap?

Perhaps it had something to do with this being accused of Jackson more than just once...

 

[azzaman333]

Pedophilia isnt a 'sexual orientation'. Its a perversion and a crime if committed.

And it's still not a crime if they don't act on it.

 

[Japanrocks12]

I've taken his death as an opportunity to learn a lot more about his music than I had already known. I can see why people would legitimately grieve over his death, and it's a pretty dick move to deny them that since even me, who hasn't shed a single tear, can see that this is a pretty palpable thing.

 

[KaiserElectric]

If he were that innocent, why not hire a great attorney like OJ did and just beat the rap?

Great idea! Instead of paying a quick settlement to some stupid parents who want a piece of the pie, let's go through a lengthy court process, spend hundreds of the taxpayer's dollars, spend hundreds more on lawyers, and stay in the attention of the media to prove something we already know! Brilliant!