MLDR005 NOW what?

[ChrTh]

"Why are we building granary in size-12 city? Switch to knight"

I can't say for sure, but I think I was trying to set up a Settler factory.

1200-1220 were the quite the exciting years, huh?

 

[meldor]

Another excellant turn from Microbe, as we have come to expect! Taking the Germans out and getting us a GA right as we enter Industrial is most good. If we can get most of the factories up, RP and a good shot at ToE this game will get a lot easier.

Microbe
RomeoTheMonk (Playing)
Northern Pike (Out of pocket??)
el_filet (On Deck??)
Meldor
ChrTh

And then there were three:
Portugal - Gone
Germany - Gone
Aztecs - Gone
Sumeria - Hopefully still wasting a lot of shields.
Korea - Gone, couldn't hang in there.
Ottoman
Greece - Not to bright to jump ahead.

 

[romeothemonk]

Got it. Will keep the Ottos afloat by massive gifts of resources and luxes.

 

[Northern Pike]

Northern Pike (Out of pocket??)

Yes, I'm still out of touch until March 4, formally. It turns out that my hosts can poach a neighbour's wireless Net access, so I can post sometimes, but I'm in no position to play.

on the last few rounds, gentlemen.

 

[ChrTh]

^^That's good timing, because I'll be out of pocket for one week starting the 5th

 

[romeothemonk]

IHT: The only resource Osman lacks is Coal, and we have no extras.
IBT: Greeks land at a bad spot on our little Island.
Turn 1: Sell Iron and peter to the ottos for 35 gpt. Bombard Sumerian town. Lose 1 knight, kill 2 rifles, 1 cav and some ships, burn akshank.
IBT: Lose 1 ancient cav, kill 2 greeks on D. Greeks land at a bad spot, we have no D.
Turn 2: Lose cossack to cav. Cossack kills cav, and greek archer. Peace with Greece, they get SP, we get Music Theory, PP, and republic, and an alliance against sumer in 1 package deal. Saltpeter and dyes get us furs, as the incencse went away. Still have to raise lux.
Turn 3: Railroad and MM. Upgrade some units. Apparently our rep became broken as the route to Ottos was cut off for a turn.
Turn 4: Industrialization comes in. Y'all may think I am stupid, but I trade it to the Ottos for WM and 850 gold, and to greece for Demo and 2 gpt. More RR and MM.
Turn 5: Concentrating around our small core with RR. One of the forests by Moscow revealed a Bonus Grassland.
Turn 6: Builder
Turn 7: Builder
Turn 8: Lose cossack to cav, kill cav with knight.
Turn 9: Builder.
Turn 10: Builder
I know this is supposed to be a war variant, but I had some major builder turns. I am trying to get cathedrals built in the large cities so we can drop the lux rate to 0. In the blacktown makes very nice 2 turn cossacks. I would let it do that for as long as we can. The kill ratio kinda sucked at around 1:1, but we are keeping this game interesting. I am going for electricity, hopefully we can trade this for nationalism, as some different specialists would really help. I think Sumeria is mobolized facists, so the whole tech race thing is a non issue.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/MLDR05-1300AD.SAV

 

[LKendter]

Peace with Greece, they get SP, we get Music Theory, PP, and republic, and an alliance against sumer in 1 package deal.

lurker's comment: You do realize by doing it that way Greece will declare war again when the alliance is over?

 

[romeothemonk]

That was kind of my plan. They have 1 musket and 2 knights on or near our territory. Now that Reinforcements are availible, we can easily deal with them. Plus we will get War Happiness if they break the treaty. Also the thought of warring against us right away may make peace a little dearer to buy.

 

[meldor]

How about ships? I would like to make a landing on the other landmass before Sumeria wipes it clean. If we RoP and land behind Otto lines with defenders and a settler, we can get a foot hold on the edge of Sumerian lands. We need this before they take out everything.

Microbe
RomeoTheMonk
Northern Pike (Out of pocket)
el_filet (Playing)
Meldor (On Deck)
ChrTh

And then there were three:
Portugal - Gone
Germany - Gone
Aztecs - Gone
Sumeria - Getting stronger
Korea - Gone
Ottoman - On the ropes from Sumeria
Greece

 

[romeothemonk]

Umm chief, I just played. I upgraded 2 caravels to galleons, but pretty much any productive coastal city was building factories. We are desperately short on all sorts of good stuff though, including defensive units. We need to build a bunch of muskets/rifles, as all our current units are being used for MP duty.

 

[microbe]

If Greece betrays us and signs peace, I would consider mobolization after factories. We need to keep building military.

 

[el_filet]

i got it...

 

[el_filet]

If we RoP (straight up ok) and land behind Otto lines with defenders and a settler, we can get a foot hold on the edge of Sumerian lands.

i don't think we can land before they're wiped out. if we could, we would probably land near aydin, which willl be a PITa as soon as ottos lose sinop (mountains). i suggest a landing near agade or isin. we can land on a mountain, and advance on high lands or jungle toward core.
unless you want me to hurry over some units, my turns will be war preparation. plan to send fleet (we have 2 galleons on other coast; means our newly built fleet) to novosibirsk. i think we'll need to wait for some artys.

 

[meldor]

OK, do what you can. It looks like us against Sumeria will be for all the marbles. We must turn greece against them so that we get the extra distraction.

 

[romeothemonk]

I wouldn't get too carried away with landing right now. Our best defender is a musket. Greece should remain at war with someone until the end of the game. I linked allinace with peace.

 

[microbe]

I linked allinace with peace.

I wouldn't do that. Just plain MA would work. Their units might not be a problems, but boats could cause trouble.

 

[el_filet]

1300 AD (0):
up science to get electricity in 1
switch blacktown to coal plant (ToE/hoover)
switch temple to frigate. i don't think we'll have a sufficent number of ships at the end of my turns.
switch some corrupt but not hopeless cities to court

IBT:
elec->RP
moscow: fact->coal
NPgrad: court->market
pushthefront: frigate->frigate

1305 AD (1):
worker turns
down science (2.7.1)
can't get anything useful out of greeks for electricity, ottos would pay 1775g
decide to make detour to RP before SM

IBT:
sum ships N of our island
TTD: court->market
riot in corrupt nizhniy
rostov: fact->temple
yaroslavl: temple->cath
orenburg: cath->court
worker pumped->duct

1310 AD (2):
RR'ing

IBT:
gems: harbor->galleon
blacktown: coal->palace
novgorod: cath->cossack
sagres: fact->cath
faraway: fact->market
krasnoyarsk: fact->cath
new heidelburG: lib->walls

IBT:
sum unload cav
moscow: coal->cath
kostroma: lib->woker
rostov: temple->cath
smolensk riots
orenburg: court->cossack
chelyabinsk: court->worker

1320 AD (4):
sumers got SM
kill invader
rush harbor

IBT:
greeks&ottomans sign MPP
novgorod: cossack->cossack
kursk: harbor->galleon
pushthefront: frigate->galleon
smolensk: factory->cath

IBT:
moscow: cath->army
perm: lob->worker
chelyabinsk: worker-worker
khabarovsk: duct->worker
saratov: settler->worker
ur completes US

IBT:
GA ends
berlin riots, scroll to prevent more
sagres: cath->cossack
meldorgrad: duct->fact
bryansk: court->worker

1335 AD (7):
lux to 0 to get RP in 2, hire some clowns
ottos are OCC

IBT:
ottos destroyed
sumers land cav on our continent
riot in ttd
suzdal: lib->worker
novgorod: cossack
yaroslavl: cath->musket
pollution strikes first time
chalyabinsk: worker->worker
krasnoyarsk: cath->colosseum
sumers start ToE
darn, why didn't i sold elec to ottos

1340 AD (8):
kill invaders using elite horse
we missed RP by ~50

IBT:
RP->SM
gems: galleon->frigate
kostroma: worker->worker
faraway: market->uni
pskov: lib->worker
orenburg: cossack->infantry
again a riot
khabarovsk: worker->lib
bryansk: worker->duct

1345 AD (9):
switch army to col (takes too long to finish without GA)
we have 2 rubber, one on island; sumers 4; greeks 0

IBT:
refuse to talk tu sumer
they bombard lagos and sink a galleon on way to novosibirsk
st. petersburg: settler->lib
moscow: colosseum->army
sagres: inf->inf
staraya: lib->harbor
pushthefront: galleon->frigate


notes:
think we should upgrade our captured cats & disband our own as soon as we need to pay for them (bryansk among others; don't use money until SM is in)
sumer frigate stack awaits our ships S. if they stay, wait for frigates to finish and use cats to injure them.
we may get ToE, but it'll be close. i hope my riots won't cost us.
we're far from ready, i built infra to make 0 lux possible. soon most of our core will be building units.
hired a lot of scientists, suggest to change most to civil eng. when SM is in



Microbe
RomeoTheMonk
Northern Pike (Out of pocket)
el_filet (played)
Meldor (UP)
ChrTh (on deck)

And then there were only two:
Portugal - Gone
Germany - Gone
Aztecs - Gone
Sumeria - Getting stronger
Korea - Gone
Ottoman - Gone
Greece

 

[meldor]

I see it and it is in the queue...

 

[meldor]

Finished most of this but can't get it all tonight. Things are looking a lot better.

 

[meldor]

1350 AD (0)
I sell the Greeks electricity of 96gpt and 242g, this will finance the rest of our research on SciMeth. I start moving the Cats south, I would like to hit those frigates at the end of the island. I think Kafa would be the perfect place to start the invasion. We may want to wait for Flight now. It may take us that long just to get the fleet to a size to make the landing.
(I)Magnitogorsk Library->Worker, Novgorod Inf->Inf, Rostov Cathedral->Inf, Orenburg Arty->Arty

1355 AD (1)
(I)Smolensk Cathedral->Frigate, Chelyaabinsk Worker->Temple, Kranoyarsk Arty->Arty

1360 AD (2)
I get to pound some Frigates, hopefully they will go home for a while.
(I)TimeToDye Market->Temple, Nizhniy Novgorod Library->Worker, Sagres and Yaroslavl' Inf->Inf, Vodkaville Market->Bank, Orenburg Arty->Arty

1365 AD (3)
I get to pound 2 Frigates and a Galleon.
(I)NPgrad Market->Temple, Novgorod Inf->Inf, Yekaterinberg Library->worker, Novosibirsk Market->Temple, WorkerPump Aqueduct->Temple. We get a palace expansion.

1370 AD (4)
(I) The Sumerians make a landing. We get SciMeth and start on AtomicTheory. PushTheFront Frigate->Frigate, Smolensk Frigate->Frigate, Orenburg Arty->Arty, Krasnoyarsk Arty->Arty, Khabarovsk Library->Temple

1375 AD (5)
Pound the Infantry and 3 Cav that landed. Searching for all the elites to attack those units pays off as I generate a leader taking them out. We have an empty army to take across the waters and fill with some infantry or some tanks. Oh look, we switch to ToE and it is due in 1 turn but we waste 34 shields, I hope you guys frogive me for that. Shut science off.
(I) Sumeria lands 4 Cav on the Island. Moscow Army->Army, InTheBlackTown ToE->Hoover's, Kostroma Worker->Worker, Rostov and Sagres Inf->Inf, FarAwayFromPortugal University->Temple, Perm' Worker->Worker, Saratov Worker->Worker

1380 AD (6)
I kill off most of the units we have on the island without killing a single one of the Cav. Hopefully the last 2 units can defend and we can get some other units there in time.
(I) Our town holds. GemsTown Frigate->Frigate, Novgorod Inf->Inf, Yekaterinburg Galleon->Worker, Hannover Temple->Settler, Orenburg Arty->Arty, New Nuremberg Infantry->Library. The Sumerians attempt to plant a spy.

1385 AD (7)
Kill off one of the Cav, 2 down 2 to go. Get some Infantry over there to cover things.
(I) Suzdal' Worker->Settler, Yaroslavl' Inf->Inf, Leira Harbor->Library, Smolensk Frigate->Frigate, Kransoyarsk Arty->Arty,

1390 AD (8)
Pound some Frigates and kill two of them. Dispurse the new infantry to cover the cities on the island. Moving four infantry up there slows down the date for hitting the beach but it makes things safer.
(I) Emerita Factory->Bank, Sagres Inf->Inf, Pskov Worker->Worker, Orenberg Arty->Arty

1395 AD (9)
Kill off the last two Cav on the island. MilNet is complete except for one square on the island. Most of the core is railed, but I did spend much time optimizing each city.
(I)Another Sumerian landing on our mainland. Monkeyville Couthouse->Market, Lagos Library->Harbor, Novgorod Inf->Inf, FarAwayFromPortugal Temple->Cathedral, Vodkaville Rax->Temple, PushTheFront Frigate->Frigate, WorkerPump Temple->Courthouse

1400 AD (10)
Kill off the 2 infantry and 2 Cav that were landed.

We have 4 Galleons and 5 Friagtes in Lagos. There are 2 empty armies, 6 infantry, and 8 arty that are built up.

Another army is due in 2, some more frigates are building and Hoover is due in 12.

Microbe (On Deck)
RomeoTheMonk
Northern Pike (Skip until the 4th)
el_filet
Meldor
ChrTh (Playing)

We have the complete hit list:
Portugal - Gone
Germany - Gone
Aztecs - Gone
Sumeria - A tough nut
Korea - Gone
Ottoman - Gone
Greece - Glad they have their own island