[MOD] Fall from Heaven

TheJopa · Apr 1, 2006

I did not check XML files for this, but can Asylum, Treehome and similar religious buildings be captured? So that you can capture town and get moderate religious unhappiness in your city and then you have to use inquisitors. If they can't be captured, then you practicaly can't get Asylum and Basilica, or Necropolis and Treehome in same civilization.

Also I don't know if this is purposely removed, but my Stonewarden can't build Temple of Kilmorph in cities that aren't converted, only in those which already have Runes religion. They could build them in any city (and automaticly spread religion in city) in version 0,90....

Kael · Apr 1, 2006

TheJopa said:
I did not check XML files for this, but can Asylum, Treehome and similar religious buildings be captured? So that you can capture town and get moderate religious unhappiness in your city and then you have to use inquisitors. If they can't be captured, then you practicaly can't get Asylum and Basilica, or Necropolis and Treehome in same civilization.

The way they normally show up is when you change religions (first half of the game you play fellowship, second half you play order).

Also I don't know if this is purposely removed, but my Stonewarden can't build Temple of Kilmorph in cities that aren't converted, only in those which already have Runes religion. They could build them in any city (and automaticly spread religion in city) in version 0,90....

Yeah, I had to take it out. I have 2 options:

1. The building can be built no matter what (ie: forcebuild) in which case you can build it without the religion, in other civs cities, etc etc.

2. Normal build, which enforces all the things that are required for that building (including religion).

Ideally I would like the second option with an exception for the religion, but that would require custom coding (not that it would be that difficult to do, just that im passed that point for phase 1, ill review it for phase 2 and see how they should work).

TheJopa · Apr 1, 2006

Kael said:
The way they normally show up is when you change religions (first half of the game you play fellowship, second half you play order).

Makes sense, howver I don't change religions often. Especialy if I have Holy City. That is why I never got unhappiness.

Can you give list of phase 2 civs?

So that we know what we can expect...

Kael · Apr 1, 2006

I need some feedback. I am adding some switches to the FfH editor to allow players to easily toggle common things they may want want to change. So far I have:

CASTER_XP_PROBABILITY- effects the rate spell casters gain xp (default 100)
DISABLE_ARMAGEDDON_AVATARS- ability to disable the avatars (default false)
DISABLE_ARMAGEDDON_WONDERS- ability to disable the armageddon spells (default false)
DISEASE_CHANCE- chance disease is transmitted during attacks (default 50)
ORTHUS_TURN- turn Orthus shows up (default 99)
SLAVERY_CHANCE- chance a slave is produced on an attack (default 25)
WEREWOLF_BASE_CHANCE- base chance a werewolf is created on an attack (default 100)
WEREWOLF_MINUS_PER_WEREWOLF- negative applied to the base chance for every werewolf the player already controls (default 3)

I need other "tunables" that the players may want to control. I don't need a list of things that could be tunable (i know hundreds of those), I need the things you as players wish you could easily adjust for your specific game.

TheJopa · Apr 1, 2006

Ammount of industry gained from slave sacrifice.
-II- from Dwarven soldier sacrifice (If this is for phase 2, then skip this one)
Chance that crusader will be spawned.
Chance that spreading religion in city would be successfull
Chance of resources spawning for Mithril and reagens (I hear people complaining about this one.)

I will add more when they come to my mind

Kael · Apr 1, 2006

TheJopa said:
Can you give list of phase 2 civs? So that we know what we can expect...

Here they are. The pics of the leaders aren't the final copy, just a draft to help the team get an idea of who they are dealing with.

Not all of these civs will be playable in "Light". I think we have 16 of them speced into "Light", the other 5 are coming in later versions.

Spoiler :

TheJopa · Apr 1, 2006

Another must-be
Amount of industry from chopping forest (many people want to tweak this)
% of followers for religious victory (Some people say it is too high)

Kael · Apr 1, 2006

TheJopa said:
Ammount of industry gained from slave sacrifice.
-II- from Dwarven soldier sacrifice (If this is for phase 2, then skip this one)
Chance that crusader will be spawned.
Chance that spreading religion in city would be successfull
Chance of resources spawning for Mithril and reagens (I hear people complaining about this one.)

I will add more when they come to my mind

Yeah, this is all for phase 2. The slave sacrifice, dwarf sacrifce and chance ofor any of the bonus's to appear are XML settings so they are all already in the editor.

The chance for the religion to spread is a great idea, thats not a function I wrote so I will have to find it but I think that is defintily worth including.

The crusader is easy enough to add. Do you really think people would want to chance that?

azzacanth · Apr 1, 2006

Kael said:
Malakim
Elohim

I didn't read through the entire list to see if you had more but..

did you know that malakim (melachim) is hebrew for "kings", and elohim is hebrew for god or gods?

I don't have an objection to the names being used but just curious if you were aware of this.

TheJopa · Apr 1, 2006

For crusaders- I would like to set it to 100% for myself, that is why. But not that I would play with that too much.
And if you are making chance for successful religion spread, there should be separate values 1) If city doesn't have any religion 2) If it has only 1 religon 3) 2 religions and more
I would personaly set 100%/60%/10% so that you practicaly need inquisition if you want 3rd religion
And see above for religious victory

Thanks for full list of civs!

Kizor · Apr 1, 2006

Given that he's also used Grigori, Balseraphs and Kuriotates, he must be aware of it.

Kael · Apr 1, 2006

TheJopa said:
Another must-be
Amount of industry from chopping forest (many people want to tweak this)
% of followers for religious victory (Some people say it is too high)

Both XML variables, though they aren't in files I have included in the editor yet. I will probably include the victory file but I probably won't include the one that controls the chopping bonus because there isn't much in there worth messing with except for that variable.

IVZanIV · Apr 1, 2006

The music is haunting. Where did you get those?

Kael · Apr 1, 2006

azzacanth said:
I didn't read through the entire list to see if you had more but..

did you know that malakim (melachim) is hebrew for "kings", and elohim is hebrew for god or gods?

I don't have an objection to the names being used but just curious if you were aware of this.

Yeah. There is sometimes a lot of thought behind particular names (and sometimes I just like the sound of it). Elohim seemed fitting because they are my spiritual people. Malakim and a lot of the others come from Christian mythos angelic orders (both good and evil), and a lot of the angel names are from old Christian sources as well.

Kael · Apr 1, 2006

Kizor said:
Given that he's also used Grigori, Balseraphs and Kuriotates, he must be aware of it.

Yeap, those are angelic order names too. I don't know what they mean in hebrew but Im not surprised that they have a meaning in hebrew. I wouldn't be surprised if Sheaim, Luchuirp and the Calabim are the same.

Kael · Apr 1, 2006

IVZanIV said:
The music is haunting. Where did you get those?

If you mean the civ themes most of them are clips from Cirque du Soleil and Enya songs.

azzacanth · Apr 1, 2006

So I looked them up for the heck of it in my handy brown-driver-briggs hebrew lexicon (I love that thing even though I barely know enough hebrew to use it)

Spoiler :

hope I did spoiler right, never used it before.

Grigori - the nearest thing I can find is gargar/gargarot (since the vowels are pointed onto the consonants, GRGR is how the word is spelled) which although not entirely clear to me appears to be related somehow (says "v sub. " and refers me to) the verb garar, to drag or drag away. which has also a lot of explanation which I dont understand on account of having not seen the verb in context.

Balseraphs - I can't find any word specifically matching that. Found a bunch of other stuff looking for it which is interesting to me but irrelevant to you.

seraphs I am somewhat familiar with which has spirit or angel connotations (I am not 100% sure of it.)

Kuriotates - I found a word, kuriyyot (kryt) which appears to refer to a location in judah. otherwise, there is kirya or kiryataiym which appear to be singular and dual for "city". closest I came to that.

calabim - celev (clv) is dog (or kelev since in english ce turns into se). the b sound in hebrew words is the same letter as v, just makes a difference of whether it has a dot or not (spelling). There are a lot of english words where we place a b where properly it was v, for example Avraham. under the heading of celev (dog) is a reference to celavim or calavim (I dont know how to make the upside down e for that first vowel), the plural. So actually, Calabim is dogs *hehe*

Closest I can find to luchuirp is a series of LChD words (lachad, leched, etc) on a root of take or capture. not sure that is a match.

Too many possible spellings of Sheaim (although I am guessing it is Sh(silent)YM) so I am just looking at some of the more obvious. I found sham (there, thither), shem (name), shamay (heavens, sky) - which is odd because I dont think thats precisely what I learned in my workbook last lesson as heavens,sky; I'll have to compare - root ShMH (to be high, or lofty), shammah (waste), ok, my eyes are starting to hurt reading 1/4 inch tall hebrew. skipping the rest of ShM- . Exactly one reference under Sh(ayin/silent)M which has no vowels and has a short listning which is some kind of reference which I dont understand. But, Sheaim (sheaiym) sounds very hebrew so I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

Well there you go.... Dont worry, I need practice using my BDB anyways

Mr.Earl · Apr 1, 2006

Hey you may want to check this out:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=165603

Mr.Earl · Apr 1, 2006

hey Keal, I looked at your list there and I just want to ask, What do I do if I want to play as one of the minor civs?

Kael · Apr 1, 2006

Mr.Earl said:
hey Keal, I looked at your list there and I just want to ask, What do I do if I want to play as one of the minor civs?

You use the editor to switch it from a minor civ to a playable civ (very easy to do). See the attached pic, the selected cell if changed from 0 to a 1 allows players to play the civ.

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