okay, i wnt to ask one more thing..... i recently downloaded the mod and started playing the 1914 scenario...... i noticed that there were no units present in the map, i thought it was deliberate...... then after proceeding a bit i noticed all the techs were taking hardly 1-2 turns to be researched, is this normal???? i got fission in 1917 jan
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dacubz145
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where did u fet the 1914 scenario? did u dl it from a post a couple of pages back? or maybe i accidenlt included it into the mod, either way saying exactly what i said above, the scenario is nit complete yet, we have all the land units placed now but r working on navies
dacubz145
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I cant see that the reason us didnt get air raids was because of our industrial output, if anything that should make the germans want to, beside pearl harbour, we didnt get any ecause there was a whole ocean in the way...
the scenario was provided inside the mod... anyways i guessed it was not ready yet
and that's what i wanted to say that USA had a huge advantage with two oceans separating it from the battlefield....
one thing i also must say that US industrial output during was far far more than what was achieved by uk, germany or soviet union.... it has been said in the book 'the second world war' by winston churchill that not before 1944 britain even achieved their required industrial output... this is evident from the fact that uk launched a few huge battleships(vanguard class) and became self sufficient in war materials and equipments..... Moreover US also supplied equipments to USSR and UK from 1940 onwards....
dacubz145
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America had the #1 economy and industrial output by far, even our british friend Aob86 will admit we had a better industrial output, its kind of common sence since outside of teh ppl in the war we were the strongest/biggest/more powerful country in the world by a landslide, and we sent everything to europe. Due to the great demand of the british french and russain armies our economy was the best its every been, our unemployment rate was like 1-2% i beleive, and no other time period comes close to that, its also when women started to really work in America
althought it didnt help out the allies for the first couple year, staying out of the war was really smart for america its self. personally i think its the reason we won the cold war, the uk etc were paying us off for years for what we sold them, which kept our ountry powerful for decades.
Aob86 and I always can debate which had a better impact on WW2, us or uk, but truthfully it was russia, whithout them the germans would probably have taken the Uk, even with American help, because if the germans didnt have to battle to the east (which was actually bigger then the west, although less famous) they would have double the soldiers to battle the Uk. plus russians had the most soldiers/deathes of the war, then again we single handedly took down Japan (yes china and australia helped but it was mostly us) and we were the main forces against Italy as well, but still think we were 3rd most important on the allies side
althought it didnt help out the allies for the first couple year, staying out of the war was really smart for america its self. personally i think its the reason we won the cold war, the uk etc were paying us off for years for what we sold them, which kept our ountry powerful for decades.
Aob86 and I always can debate which had a better impact on WW2, us or uk, but truthfully it was russia, whithout them the germans would probably have taken the Uk, even with American help, because if the germans didnt have to battle to the east (which was actually bigger then the west, although less famous) they would have double the soldiers to battle the Uk. plus russians had the most soldiers/deathes of the war, then again we single handedly took down Japan (yes china and australia helped but it was mostly us) and we were the main forces against Italy as well, but still think we were 3rd most important on the allies side
aob86
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oh yes usa industrial output FAR out matched the uk even before the war but obviously the fact that germany was bombing the crap out of UK industry and nothing could get to USA's was also an factor.
I agree that germany couldnt of been beaten without russia and that the eastern front was less famous even tho it shouldnt be but i think that the west played down russias contribution to ww2 due to the cold war which came afterwards.
but i disagree that the germany would of taken the UK without russia. germany couldnt beat the royal navy and RAF even before USA and russia joined the war. we won the battle of britain even tho germany had atleast 4 times the planes we did and we were there only enemy. UK also basically won the north african campaign against the germans on there own and before my american friends points it out, yes USA was involved with it but it was after UK had backed rommel into a corner in tunisia and had him on the run and the first time americans fought rommel he kicked there asses and it was every close to being a bad setback.
I also dont think russia could of won the war without UK and USA either as besides the fact UK and USA kept them supplied with both UK and USA convoys to murmansk and supplies going via british held mid east into russia. there also the fact that germany had to keep so many troops in france, italy and africa to counteract UK and USA and both RAF and US airforce sent alot of bombers to help the russian push into germany.
aob86
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you asked me to remind you of this today dacubz145 so heres your reminder lol
dacubz145
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Lemme reword what I meant, I can't see Germany beating the UK but I do think they could have done a hell of a lot more damage. One thing that is very often over looked is the length of the war in my opinion, for a human, probably around 12 years old or higher the germans couldnt have convinced them to be "Germans" But since the germans took france poland etc by 1940, if the war would have lasted untill 46 or 47, which it probably would have with a 1 v 1 with UK/Germany (italy was sort of pointless...I remember a quote i saw by Mussilini, saying he didnt want to fight in the war but he wanted to kill 2-3,000 french and be on the winning side) that means 10/11 year old french/czech/polish/danish/belgian/dutch/norweigan men could have been raised to become German soldiers, which would have easily doubled Germanys army, that is something overlooked by a lot of people. therefor i think on a 1 v 1 Germany could have atelast got into the mainland of UK, but I do guarentee you the minute German soldiers got close to taking the UK mainland we would have stepped in, becuase at that poing if you guys went, it would be a 2 v 1, us vs japan and germany, which i guarentee you we didn't want.
Anyway overall I don;t think you guys could have won, but I can't say for sure if you would have lost, probably just a stand still, Hitler probably gets assasignated by some german, and without Hitler the wars over in a blink
Anyway overall I don;t think you guys could have won, but I can't say for sure if you would have lost, probably just a stand still, Hitler probably gets assasignated by some german, and without Hitler the wars over in a blink
dacubz145
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aob86
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well its all conjecture afterall my friend as will we never know thankfully but i agree that USA couldnt afford to let UK fall, roosevelt was a smart man he knew what would happen if the UK had fallen beside the fact youd be on your own, USA was most worried about british bases in the americans and the royal navy falling into german hands and helping UK brought USA obvious advantages. friendly territory very close to your enemy but already well defended by sea and air. which means your free to amass as many troops, armor, ships, planes etc without the need to fight or have to worry about the native population.
aob86
King
looks good, i assume your going to add an UU for it for germany the 88MM?
Also i noticed you dont have ranged bombardment in the mod, i would urge you to please add this to your mod. It REALLY adds to the game i feel.
dacubz145
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is there art for the 88MM? I reskinned the one i put up to grey, it looks really good but its just a reskin so it isnt the same shape as the german one im sure
Ranged bombardment...The only problem is it requires DLL, Roamty can probably do it, but the main problem is I can't guarentee that the scenario is still going to work, it's been about a 8 months since the mod came out and still not a complete scenario, I dont want to start all over. I can possibly get it to work, but again can't guarentee that the ranged bombardent will work within the scenario,
Roamty made a custom DLL for me a couple pages back i havent put in, it puts in autoplay AI (im sure youve seen it before, its when you can have the coputer play some turns). if that works with the scenario then the ranged bombardment probably will. I want the autoplay AI because I want to autoplay the game, to see what happens in a certain amount of turns so we can fix any inacuracies ahead of time
dacubz145
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British terroritorys would definatly not go to the Germans if that's what yours saying I was a bit confused, I would undoubtably think Belize, Jamaica etc wouldn't just say we are German, they would probably bledge alegiance with America, or just become independent.
The problem with that happening is Germans not Japanese, much of America were paranoid they were going to be attacked on the west coast, so that was heavily defended and had a large air force, and obvoiusly we can beet Japan 1 v 1, not to mention we would have the support of all of the americas + australia. I personally do not think we would have lost, for three reasons. First German fought mostly a land and air war, so the only plains they could really use were ones they could get on carriers, unlike us in WW2 we could place on planes in your country, our air force would destroy theirs and it wouldnt be close. The other reason is because of how large industrial we were, fourth, we had nuclear weapons, thats self explanitory, we defeated the Japanese in two blows, a couple blows to Germany as well, we would have won, expessialy if one of the blows hit hitler
aob86
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88MM is very famous so i would be VERY supriced if there wasnt an art for it.
well it would be nice to have Ranged bombardment in the scenario, considering they shelled the crap out of each other on the western front for all of ww1.
Being honest for me going back from using Ranged bombardment is like going from beyond the sword to the original civ 4 lol.
autoplay AI sounds like a good idea if it works.
dacubz145
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There is art for that, and it is the Anti-Air gun, theres two units out there and ive always been confused
Theres the art I have for anti-air gun and then theres the same one but on wheels, one is always called 88MM and ones called anti-air gun and i'm always confused what is up with that?
aob86
King
the thing about the 88MM is it was designed and built as an anti air gun and it for its time it was very good at it but they quickly found out it was also VERY good as an anti tank gun so were used for that too, they were probably the best anti tank gun of ww2.
but the field gun cant bombard? i tried it the other day, all i could do with it was attack like a normal unit?
dacubz145
Deity
Hmm can't bombard...for some reason i thought you could
I found some type of solution that could work, some one else did this and i could replicate it not sure how well it works...you basically lets seige units do the same thing planes can, just have it at a much smaller range, im going to try it with a destroyer, and then see how it works if it does i will replicate it
I found some type of solution that could work, some one else did this and i could replicate it not sure how well it works...you basically lets seige units do the same thing planes can, just have it at a much smaller range, im going to try it with a destroyer, and then see how it works if it does i will replicate it
aob86
King
mmm yeah i can see that working, sounds like a plan.
dacubz145
Deity
Well I can't seem to figure out how this works...I will figure it out adventually though
dacubz145
Deity
Well for now it isnt working
Roamty is on vacation but when he comes back ill see if he can help, im sure he can hes amazing at these types of things (ROAMTY IF YOUR READING THIS DO NOT DO IT, SINCE I ADDED SO MANY UNITS, I WOULD RATHER YOU WAIT UNTILL I UPLOAD THE NEW VERSION)
Im going to attempt the AI autoplay now
Roamty is on vacation but when he comes back ill see if he can help, im sure he can hes amazing at these types of things (ROAMTY IF YOUR READING THIS DO NOT DO IT, SINCE I ADDED SO MANY UNITS, I WOULD RATHER YOU WAIT UNTILL I UPLOAD THE NEW VERSION)
Im going to attempt the AI autoplay now
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