ElliotS
Warmonger
If anyone else feels this way speak up now or RIP. It seems denying it has a fairly clear majority.
Mongolia
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eeehm.. could you please explain how is that possible?
LukaSlovenia29
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Well, my proposal interacts with city states, but it doesn't interact with diplomacy.
The mongels are fun for their crazy mounted units...they don’t really need another interesting bonus to keep them interesting imo
A UU by itself, even a really strong one, isn't enough to make a civ interesting IMO. I'd be happy with many of the suggestions so far, especially the "+yields in every city from conquered CSs" and the "demanding heavy tribute lowers everyone's influence by 60".
ElliotS
Warmonger
Remember that the mongolian UU is a great general. Their fast mounted units are from their UA, and span the whole game.
I don't think there's an inherent issue with having CSs gobbled up by the Mongols via heavy tribute. I do think that they should get a special bonus for doing so, beyond just a chunk of GAP. So, I think it makes sense for them to get a large yield bonus tied to the CS type they gobbled up.
Food for Maritime,
Science for Militaristic
etc etc.
Flavorful, fun, and a distinct buff for the Mongols.
No reason to reinvent the Mongol.
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Food for Maritime,
Science for Militaristic
etc etc.
Flavorful, fun, and a distinct buff for the Mongols.
No reason to reinvent the Mongol.
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pineappledan
Deity
Is it possible to just have the annexation happen after the yields from heavy tribute are given? That seems to be what you are suggesting.
Or are you suggesting a flat amount of yields on annexation, scaling with era?
Or are you suggesting a flat amount of yields on annexation, scaling with era?
Der_Zorn_gottes
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I like it. I always argued that there should be some bonus to it, because once you have the force to annex, you could just conquer it anyway. This does nicely.
ElliotS
Warmonger
I just really dislike the hard cooldown and think a similar solution that gets rid of it would be better.
tu_79
Deity
What if Mongol ability to annex CS starts in Middle Ages? This way you can lower the cool down to 10 turns or so.
chicorbeef
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Not a bad idea.....and historically fitting of course. And the role of early game tribute would stay untouched, no cooldown issues.
I like this idea.
pineappledan
Deity
Chicorbeef has been advocating for totally removing the CS bonus. I'm coming around to this way of thinking as wel, but with a caveat: What if the Khan was buffed more?
I really liked Mongolia in Vanilla because they were a civ that had a pitiful UA, but whose UUs were so good that it compensated. Their Medieval power spike was so large that the civ felt like it was designed to have that carry them through the rest of the game. In VP, Mongolia is one of 2 civs with a UU that gives persistent bonuses across all eras (the other being Assyria), and the only one that never expires. Leveraging that to put more weight on the Khan, and less on the UA sounds like a great way to differentiate Mongolia.
So, remove the bonus to heavy tribute from UA
Ideas for Khan boosts (pick 1 or 2):
- Stacked unit gains "Keshik" promotion: +25% defense, +1 attack
- Every Khan on Empire makes makes intimidating City States easier - increases 'Overall Military Power' for intimidating city states calculation by 50%
- Units starting stacked or adjacent to a Khan gain 1 move this turn (an inverse of the SapMovementAura effect)
I really liked Mongolia in Vanilla because they were a civ that had a pitiful UA, but whose UUs were so good that it compensated. Their Medieval power spike was so large that the civ felt like it was designed to have that carry them through the rest of the game. In VP, Mongolia is one of 2 civs with a UU that gives persistent bonuses across all eras (the other being Assyria), and the only one that never expires. Leveraging that to put more weight on the Khan, and less on the UA sounds like a great way to differentiate Mongolia.
So, remove the bonus to heavy tribute from UA
Ideas for Khan boosts (pick 1 or 2):
- Stacked unit gains "Keshik" promotion: +25% defense, +1 attack
- Every Khan on Empire makes makes intimidating City States easier - increases 'Overall Military Power' for intimidating city states calculation by 50%
- Units starting stacked or adjacent to a Khan gain 1 move this turn (an inverse of the SapMovementAura effect)
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What kind of heresy is this? The CS annex stays. Here's the reworked UA we'll be testing in the next beta soon:
If you capture a CS city, you get big beefy yields yo.
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Keeping the 50 turn cooldown as well? Pray tell, when might the next version drop? I'm especially looking forward to a tweaked Hun UA
Keeping the 50 turn cooldown as well? Pray tell, when might the next version drop? I'm especially looking forward to a tweaked Hun UA
Yes, keeping. No firm ETA.
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Well it is better but I am still not a fan of this. It is not interesting. Too straightforward
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from authority policy three times over 80 turns (and potentially more) than 250I will once again note that the Mongols uniqueness is more around their mounted units. Their mounted units are freaking amazing, that's what makes them interesting.
