Montezuma

[widdowmaker]

Man is he bloodthirsty or what? HE founds budisim, i convert to it, i feed him resources, i do open borders with him, hes on the OTHER side of the continet(pangea)


I got like +12 with him with no - rep points, and then he declares war.



... WTH?

 

[Willem]

Yes, he's well known for that sort of thing. Shaka's kind of like that too. If you have both of them as neighbours in a game, you're in for a rough time.

 

[Rotting]

there's only one Leader, which ist more aggressive and irrationally behaving: Ragnar!

 

[Refar]

Ragnar is actually easy to get along with. Sure his peace weight is low. But he's no backstabber. He will attack if you are a easy pushover - in that case even Ghandi would But he's easy to get good relations with: Values "Mutual struggle" highly, does not care a lot about different religion.

And he's cute (I hope he does not read that, or he might decide to split my head in the next game ). From where i stand one of the more sympatetic leaders in the game.

 

[mystyfly]

Sounds like Monty was bribed.

 

[PibbZ]

Sounds like Monty was bribed.

By Shaka, probably

 

[Shirastro]

It doesn't matter hoe much he "likes" you, if you have weak military he will attack you.

 

[zinker]

It doesn't matter hoe much he "likes" you, if you have weak military he will attack you.

That is always true for the kind of nut-job we are dealing with.

 

[widdowmaker]

How can i compare my military to his? In civ 3 the advisor told you how well you stacked up, kinda.

It was weird, because i was being a hardcore warmonger with the ENEMY of monty. They were annoyed at each other and i did nothing but spam military units most of the game, didnt lose a whole lot either.

Is there a way to compare yours and another civs army?

 

[mystyfly]

F9, Power graph and Demo Screen

In BtS you can only see a rivals graph if you have a certain amount of EPs against him. In the Demo Screen you don't get that much info if you compare yourself to a certain rival but you can see how well you're doing nevertheless.

 

[GIO888]

Monty is a full basket of fruit. He will attack you if you married his sister and named all your kids after him.

You can (kind of) deal with Shaka and Ragnar, as long as it's from a position of strength - but Monty will attack you with a rusty spoon if you have Modern Armor!

I ALWAYS kill his sorry civ the moment I bump up against it!

 

[Jedoc]

Eh. If I don't have to deal with him right off the bat, I generally save him for last. You can out-tech him without any real effort, so as long as you over-fortify the cities closest to his empire, he's a fairly predictable and low-impact source of experience and Great General points. I'd much rather aim my trebs at someone who can do real damage if I leave them alive...like Shaka or Ragnar.

 

[flamesweet]

I just finished a game at nobel where Ragar was the leader (a bit less then half of the hole land was his) + he has 2 vassels.
Well...I just build an army so big I kicked his sorry ass and won dominition

 

[King of Town]

How can you not be expecting an attack from monty?

 

[azzaman333]

Ragnar is worse because he will attack you regardless of how friendly you are with him, and he can keep up with tech unlike Shaka or Monty.

 

[Still_Asleep]

Monty will

1.) Attack you, even if he loves you, if you are really weak

2.) Attack you, even if you are really strong, if he hates you


If you keep good relations AND a decent army, he will attack someone else. Easy as pie.

 

[Silence101]

Monty's animations are hilarious. I think he has some anger management issues that he needs to get worked out.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

I think it doesnt matter how good your relations are, the AI is still smart enough to betray you!

 

[j_mie6]

I am having a game at the moment with Ragnar, Hatty, Charlie, Caesar, Toku and Hanna with me as portugal, I managed to get Ragnar as a Perminent Ally and set him off on Charlie while I did the teching, as soon as we allies and he got my techs you could see that all of his cities swapped to riflemen and factories the next turn lol, I even sent in some cavs of my own

Ragnar also gave me ALL the resouces I demanded (as an ally, which I found funny), so he is a nice guy when you get to know him

 

[Nares]

Man is he bloodthirsty or what? HE founds budisim, i convert to it, i feed him resources, i do open borders with him, hes on the OTHER side of the continet(pangea)


I got like +12 with him with no - rep points, and then he declares war.

Either he was bribed into it by another AI, or you fell into the builder trap of low power rating.

Monty will

1.) Attack you, even if he loves you, if you are really weak

2.) Attack you, even if you are really strong, if he hates you


If you keep good relations AND a decent army, he will attack someone else. Easy as pie.

This only lacks Monty being bribed into war against you, which other AIs will not hesitate to do.

The best way to avoid that is to bribe Monty into declaring on someone else.

There's basically two Montys; uber-Monty, who should be your best and probably only friend; and gimp-Monty, who can be ignored so long as he's not sending massive stacks of obsolete units your way. You can tell pretty quickly which Monty you're dealing with, and react accordingly.