more religions?

[VGL]

@Pavel so,are you saying that the Turks made Iran shia?

 

[VGL]

I absolutely second this. IRL, the Arabs, at least initially, actually gave Middle Eastern (coptic) Christians a better deal than the (Orthodox) Christian byzantine empire, ditto for the Jews. This is one reason why they managed to expand so quickly, against much larger imperial foes. Of course, the treatment of "People of the Book" doesn't match modern standards of tollerance (Arabia won't be running egalitarianism on spawn ). The Arab UP should spread Islam, but it shouldn't erase local faiths (this should also make Crusades more interesting). The Seljuks should keep the current religion erasure UP, to erase Zoarastrianism.


Regarding the Shia/Sunni split, I would support adding it, especially given how much political trouble it is causing today (theologically, the two are very similar as far as I know, but politically, they are far appart). It would also represent the historical Ottoman/Safavid rivalry. Perhaps handle it like the reformation, and give various Muslim states various modifiers for how likely they are to adopt Shia Islam?

e.g: AI Sunni Persia and Babylon are very likely to become Shia, AI Sunni Egypt and Phonecia are moderately likely to adopt Shia Islam, everyone else Sunni is unlikely to become Shia, etc.

I do have one practical concern though. As mentioned above, we need the Seljuk religion erasure UP to clear Zoarastrianism. Historically, the Shia/Sunni split predates the Seljuks. Thus, if we implement historically, Shia Islam will be erased by the Seljuks, unless we make an exception to their UP...

well,Safavids can spread Shia and prosecute Sunnis

 

[calad]

what?many wars and prosecution were either against Shia or against Sunni. The Abbasid and Ottoman prosecuted all of Shia's because they were threatened by them.they were many wars between shai and Sunni. heck,the caliph of ottomans said that being a shia is thousand times worse than being a Christian.

This is more like war between civs and not an internal issue like disunity of Christianity. I know history of Islam very well. It would be cool if Sunni-Shia split would be well presented. Egypt was both shia and sunni, so was Persia. There is also Ibadi which I dont know very well but would be intresting joker. Today Oman is Ibadi but they had also large areas in Algeria.

 

[VGL]

Well,the start of war was different religion. And Ibadis barley had any influence to be considered another religion.

 

[BenZL43]

Ibadi is similar to Shia isn't it? Wasn't the majority of them are in Yemen? Or there's another sect in Yemen? What is Sufi? Hehe I still have a lot to learn about Islamic sect

 

[VGL]

well,i'm not the guy but i do know that Omanians are Ibadi and Yeme has a lot of Sufi.

 

[calad]

Ibadi is similar to Shia isn't it? Wasn't the majority of them are in Yemen? Or there's another sect in Yemen? What is Sufi? Hehe I still have a lot to learn about Islamic sect

I have no idea. Middle-East even today is full of minor religious that goes from ancient Sumer Gods to Old Testament. I could probably list 10+ minor religions directly related or influenced by Jewish, Christianity or Islam. It would be really intresting try to model this up culturally and spiritually somehow.

Would Leo be intrested if I bring some material?

edit:

funnily Judaism is as well minor religion in Middle-East today and the most well know.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

Ugh, all this talk about a Sunni-Shiite split and people here are missing the big picture.

If there's any major religion that deserves to be added. It's Tengriism.

If that hypothetical Turkic civilization Bair proposed ever gets in, it's a perfect fit with Central Asia, as well as Mongolia.
Abrahamic religions are overexposed as is (Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Islam & Zoroastrianism rounding it out as the precursor to Abrahamic religion making five),
and I feel like most polytheistic religions being relegated to Pantheon (barring Hinduism & Taoism) is a bit sad.

 

[VGL]

Zoroastrianism is not a Abrahamic religion. and we need the Sunni-Shiite split and Hellenism, Vikingisim or something like that and native american religion too. And remove Taoism. They were the least influence religion

 

[Theodorick]

Figured I'd drop this reference if there's any confusion on religion origins.

 

[VGL]

YAY! I knew that Islam wasn't influenced by Christianity!

 

[Shadow Merc]

Figured I'd drop this reference if there's any confusion on religion origins.

The only issue I take with this chart is that Catholicism is represented by the symbol for Byzantium.

Otherwise, this is pretty detailed, but good luck representing all of those religions in game.

YAY! I knew that Islam wasn't influenced by Christianity!

If that were true, Muslims wouldn't consider Jesus a prophet, and the Archangel Gabriel, known for appearing to Mary to tell her she was pregnant, also appeared to Muhammad to reveal God's will to him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel

And there's that little disclaimer at the bottom that this chart should not be counted as 100% fact.

 

[citis]

YAY! I knew that Islam wasn't influenced by Christianity!

There are many versions. In one of them Islam was the son of Christianity, while in others scientific method and quantum physics were in the tree! If that's the case then communism should be in the tree too.

 

[VGL]

If that were true, Muslims wouldn't consider Jesus a prophet, and the Archangel Gabriel, known for appearing to Mary to tell her she was pregnant, also appeared to Muhammad to reveal God's will to him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel

And there's that little disclaimer at the bottom that this chart should not be counted as 100% fact.

we consider Jesus as the prophet of Christians. And we say that Jesus is a prophet is that god said it. And the influence of Christians in Muslim is not 100% true. Wikipedia isn't always a good source either

 

[Theodorick]

That's the chi rho, an early Catholic christogram that was widespread in both the east and west in early Christianity regardless of if it were under Byzantine control or not. That was also used on Byzantine banners. I am not 100% sure why it's used so popularly in mods since the Byzantine had their own flag, but I digress.

I was going to say he was trying to use the earliest symbol per religion, but this isn't the case for a couple other religions, so I am not sure why he picked that.

 

[VGL]

There are many versions. In one of them Islam was the son of Christianity, while in others scientific method and quantum physics were in the tree! If that's the case then communism should be in the tree too.

Well,I think that Christianity and Islam are like sister an brothers and their dad is Judaisms

 

[Theodorick]

There are many versions. In one of them Islam was the son of Christianity, while in others scientific method and quantum physics were in the tree! If that's the case then communism should be in the tree too.

He got rid of that controversial stuff in later versions. I'm kind of glad he did. It kind of discredited his own chart even though a lot of it is solid.

 

[citis]

Let's make a complete proposal. Explanation bellow.

The first two raws (agnostic branch, sinic branch) are already represented. No explanation needed.

Hindusim: As it is. Spread in whole India and Indochina.
Sikhism: Represented by Hamardir Sahib. (Lahore must has hinduism present in 600AD scenario).
Jainism: Represented by a world wonder that requires hinduism, I don't know which yet.

Mahayana: Found by hindu temple, spread in China, Korea Japan
Theravada: Found by Tamils before Khmer spawn. Khmer, Thais and Indonesia spawn with Theravada missionaries. I propose to be founded by hindu or buddhist civ that discovers compass.
Vajrayana: Founded by Tibet on spawn. Mongols spawn Vajrayana with missionaries and have high spreading possibility at their cities. I propose to be founded by buddhist that has discovered guilds.

Jewdaism: Already represented by temple of Solomon
Manichaeism: Founded by Persia, spreads quickly in indies and barabs (the aim is to spread in central Asia, Samarquand, Kashgar and Turfan). I propose to be founded on building Zoroastrian Shrine.

Orthodoxy: Founded by polytheist civ that discovered Theology. (So human china cannot found it anymore )
Catholicism: Founded by apostolic palace. Autobuilt in 1054AD.
Protestantism: As it is with a minor change. Cities in hands of non catholic civs remain catholic.

Sunnism: It is the old Islam.
Shiism: Founded by sunni that discovered philosophy. Iran spawns shia and recieve shia missionaries if needed. Shia has high possibility to spread in Egypt.

 

[VGL]

Well,Shiism should be founded at start (any nation that finds Sunni will find Shia too) because the conflict between these two started from the death of Muhammad (20 years after Muhammad became a prophet) and when Arabia captures a new city, one of these two spread there (it will be more likely for Shia to spread in Iran and Egypt and more likely for Sunni to spread in North africa,Arabia and Turkey, randomly in others)

 

[Leoreth]

Figured I'd drop this reference if there's any confusion on religion origins.

That's a pretty cool source of religious icons!

The only issue I take with this chart is that Catholicism is represented by the symbol for Byzantium.

On the contrary, Byzantium is represented by the symbol of Christianity.

we consider Jesus as the prophet of Christians. And we say that Jesus is a prophet is that god said it. And the influence of Christians in Muslim is not 100% true. Wikipedia isn't always a good source either

Neither is your religious teacher.