Jawz II
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Bozo Erectus said:
that was hardly an "incident"! youre sounding like cierdan now. you silly bastard.
Muslim hypocrisy?
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that was hardly an "incident"! youre sounding like cierdan now. you silly bastard.
Gelion
Retired Captain
"Delenn: One is frightened the other is foolish
Vir: Which one is which that is the question"
Babylon 5
I'm surprised this troll thread reached 13 pages.....
Vir: Which one is which that is the question"
Babylon 5
I'm surprised this troll thread reached 13 pages.....
Comraddict
C.IV
I like troll threads, they are easier to read.
On subject, Muslims (radical ones) want to see only one side of truth: their religion is right, all others are wrong, and the people of such religions are blasphemists, thus they can and should be killed.
Now that just screams for 3rd world war... I don't see how the Middle East can advance beyond such reasoning in some reasonable time to come - to avoild further and deeper conflict.
On subject, Muslims (radical ones) want to see only one side of truth: their religion is right, all others are wrong, and the people of such religions are blasphemists, thus they can and should be killed.
Now that just screams for 3rd world war... I don't see how the Middle East can advance beyond such reasoning in some reasonable time to come - to avoild further and deeper conflict.
ThERat
Deity
one more example, not to feed the trolls but to show what we are talking about: this is taken from another forum here in S'pore.
'When the muslim talibans blew up the huge Buddhists statues in Afghanistan, the Buddhists around the world did not go into a violent frenzy. When some cartoons of mohd were published in the european newspapers, the muslims really go crazy. Is their faith in their religion so thin and fragile that they are so sensitive to any form of criticism? Or is this violent knee-jerk reaction a consequence of inferiority complex?'
'When the muslim talibans blew up the huge Buddhists statues in Afghanistan, the Buddhists around the world did not go into a violent frenzy. When some cartoons of mohd were published in the european newspapers, the muslims really go crazy. Is their faith in their religion so thin and fragile that they are so sensitive to any form of criticism? Or is this violent knee-jerk reaction a consequence of inferiority complex?'
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Gelion said:"Delenn: One is frightened the other is foolish
Vir: Which one is which that is the question"
Babylon 5
I'm surprised this troll thread reached 13 pages.....
The only troll here is you, my dear. So why do you post here, for that matter?
Winner
Diverse in Unity
A sample of cartoons being published by the Arabic media... 
So, those racists dare to feel offended by our mild drawings. Again, this is nothing more than an
So, those racists dare to feel offended by our mild drawings. Again, this is nothing more than an
UTTER HYPOCRISY.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Verbose
Deity
Well, allow me to introduce you to the concept of "cultural difference" then.Winner said:A sample of cartoons being published by the Arabic media...
So, those racists dare to feel offended by our mild drawings. Again, this is nothing more than an
UTTER HYPOCRISY
Disgusting as they are the cartoons you've posted are political - racist, twisted, delusional and conspirtatorial sure. But they are not religious.
Makes no difference to you and me, but to a powerful lot of Muslims it does.
It's a difference of classification (part of the "anthroplogical war") and not hypocrisy as Muslims are actually consistent about this.
Muslims: Politics — anything goes. Religion — stay the hell away.
Europeans: Same-same...
It's a ***** you might actually have to keep track of things like this when dealing with bloody foreigners, I know.
Rambuchan
The Funky President
Errr the Jyllands-Posten cartoons was perceived as blasphemous. These cartoons you've posted are not blasphemous, they do not mock or demafe the sacred elements of a religion. They may be offensive and provocative but they are clearly different.Winner said:A sample of cartoons being published by the Arabic media...
So, those racists dare to feel offended by our mild drawings. Again, this is nothing more than an
UTTER HYPOCRISY.
As such you're post is quite misleading and, I would say, overly melodramatic.
EDIT: Thanks to cross posting you've now got a double rebuttal!
Gelion
Retired Captain
I've been called a troll only by you. You've been called one by at least 3 people. I find it amusing and therefore I post here as much as I like.Winner said:The only troll here is you, my dear. So why do you post here, for that matter?
Also please try and read the posts above mine. There are few reasonable people that take your side 100% in this debate. Guess why? Most of them are Europeans the same Europeans you are tryingt o be.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Gelion said:
I don't care much how many people call this thread a troll, because they're clearly wrong. I am not like you, changing my opinions to conform to the majority
You're being awkward. Really.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Rambuchan said:
Although there is a difference, these pictures are clearly anti-semitic, attacking the Jews in much more brutal way than the Danish cartoons do.
I dare say, that people producing such drawings don't have any right to criticize similar caricatures in Europe.
Gelion
Retired Captain
Being stubborn till the end ey? Opinions should be changed and modified when one realises that they were wrong. Take that as a friendly advice.Winner said:I don't care much how many people call this thread a troll, because they're clearly wrong. I am not like you, changing my opinions to conform to the majority
Its better than being blinded by ideology and a feeling of being an exception unlike those "others". So there
Also in your post adove you keep generalizing and putting people into one "group". Dont you find that well wrong? "All Muslims should appologise" "all Russians must feel guilty" "All Czechs suffered" dont you find it a bit simplistic?
aneeshm
Deity
Gelion said:
Maybe you do not know that Winner's opinions of Islam were shaped by a critical and honest re-examination of that religion after terrorists struck Europe ? Earlier , he , too , was one of the majoriatrians .
Gelion said:Its better than being blinded by ideology and a feeling of being an exception unlike those "others". So there
It is the ideology of political correctness that blinds you . We have our eyes wide open . That is why my opinions coincide with Winner's on a lot of things ( including Islam and the threat is poses ) , even though you would be hard-pressed to find people from more different circumstances .
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Gelion said:
You want to conform? OK, CNN poll (though not scientific, still much more representative than few people from this thread
So shut up and listen to the majority, because it is always right
Its better than being blinded by ideology and a feeling of being an exception unlike those "others". So there
So said Gelion, the die-hard supporter of the great leader Vladimir I. Putin
Please, don't make hypocritic comments.That's only your twisted perception, based on your insufficient understanding and ignorance. You read my posts, warp them and then accuse me of something I've never said. As usual.
I am using generalisations, but I always explain why and always say that I am aware of exceptions. Generalisations are necessary for every theoretical discussion, neverending attacks on me because of them are just a sign of lack of arguments on your side.
Rambuchan
The Funky President
They may be anti-semitic but the strong blasphemy difference is there. It's also worth noting that you've drawn the cartoons from the more hardline Arabic presses, places where it is already known and hardly surprising that such sentiment exists. But bear in mind that difference between blasphemy and political / social mockery.Winner said:
Gelion
Retired Captain
Hmmm... I dont find his examination convincing and I find his opinions close to fashist. Look at what happens in Iraq in the name of "Democracy". Shouldn't we also re-examine Democracy and all the bombings in its name? Killings in the name of something is not monopolized by Islamic Terrorists.aneeshm said:
Its the first time I've been described that way, thank you very much. I come from Russia. I am sure you've heard about the little Chechen war we have there. I haev reasons to hate Muslims and call them barbarians. Why dont I? I understand you are from India. You have Pakistan.... so I undersand why you feel the way you feel, however I could share your opinions. I dont and not because I have no problems with Chechen terrorists. None of your (winners and yours) nations have the amount of problems with the Islamic terrorists as we do. So if anything I know more about what can come out of hatred. Circumstances you say? Sorry I am aware of that.
Bozo Erectus
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Thats a really good question. Why dont you?Gelion said:
Huh?
aneeshm
Deity
Gelion said:
Of course they do not have a monopoly on killing . But let us not forget that the Quran condones and encourages the killing of infidels . Do you know of that ? Do know that Mohammed had said that there should be only one religion in Arabia - his religion ? Our stance is that terrorism is merely an natural extension of Islam , and that the larger war is against the ideology inherent in that religion , and not these two-bit terrorists .
Nobody is advocating Nazi-like actions against Muslims . We just want to finish Islam's power as an ideology , because this power has , in the past , brought only grief to the civilised world . We also have understood the necessity of vetting Muslim immigrants with more thoroughness than others , because not all Muslims are terrorists , but all terrorists are Muslims . We speak with the backing of statistics .
Understand us now ?
Gelion said:
This shows that you have not understood what we are trying to say . We do not think Muslims are by necessity "barbarians" , or that they are to be hated . Nor do I think Pakistanis are all barbaric or terrorists . Even in Winner's signature , I said that most Muslims , being fundamentally sensible , have given up most of their religion - the only real believers remaining are the terrorists . The Quran kilda the striking of terror into the enemies , mostly unbelievers , as a good thing .
But I realise that the Pakistani state , which is founded on the idea that "we're not like India !!!" , can never have a lasting peace with India , because of the ideology of its foundation , and because of India's history . These scars will not heal until Pakistan is broken up and annexed piece by piece . This conflict ( and the Chechen conflict ) is just part of a larger war , between the followers of Mohammed , and everyone else . It is a conflict that started in Arabia when the Jews were wiped out . Many others have been wiped out since . We do not want to be wiped out . That is all .
And about India not having problems with terrorists - are you totally ignorant of what goes on in the world ? We have bigger problems than the rest of the world combined ! The Hindus of Kashmir have been either exterminated , or have been driven out of the state . We have had an Islamic terrorist problem since the eighties . And its been very bloody . Far bloodier that anything you can have faced .
Understand us now ?
Gelion
Retired Captain
Well for one reason that I believe that no religion unless it is evidently destructive is the "right way to God". If anything I am against policising of religion as I think that it should be a private business of each person. Any attempt for spread of religion or involving it in political struggle ends in blood or loss of faith. It is true of any religion. By destructuve religion I mean that one that practices cannibalism, and other destructive rithuals (good example: Satanism). Islam despite what uninformed people think is not a destructive religion and therefore I have no problems with its followers except for extremists. Extremists (violent extermists) are a problem of every society regardless of sex(well maybe mostly male), nationality, religion or race. To me unless they are a majority in a religion they cannot represent the whole religion. I do well to keep that in mind. Just because German Nazis did one of the most horrible things in our history 50 years ago I try not to equalize them with todays Germans. In fact despite our history I am normally pleased to communicate with Germans.Bozo Erectus said:
Also I realise the pointlessness of complete cut of of cmmunications and a struggle. Dialogue and evolution are often the best options. Of course dialogue should not be done who wish to fight (on both sides).
Thats the main reason apart from the fact that in this debate I try to point to the balance that is needed between responsibility and freedom of speech.
I could write more but I have to do other things.
Double negation, sorry I should have remembered it is not allowed. It should read "I do have problems with Chechen terrorists, but not because....[I share your opinions]"Huh?
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