My next (Massive and huge, etc as always... you know the scpeel) scenario!

[sela1s1son]

I like to work on two scenarios at a time so when I tire of working on one, I can work on the other for a while. So here are some possible scenarios I can design:

Alternate history, as always.

Europe fails to colonize America, initially at least:
Black Plague kills 3/4 instead of 1/4. Europe is weakened, and Turks rise to prominence, but still unable to conquer Europe. American civs rise to power, especially the Central American civs. Asia also holds two powers. Was is to become of the world as the Industrial age takes hold in the Americas and Eurasia?


Spanish Armada victory
What if the Spanish Armada had won? I drew a potential world map of Circa 1900 of that world. Ireland, for one, is much more powerful, as is the Netherlands, and "The United Holy Kingdom" based of the Holy Roman Empire (well, in name at least). The UHK conissts of Portugal, Spain, France, and Italy. The Netherlands ended up conquering Whales and England (IReland took Scotland), and Belgium. Australia is divided into four pieces. Mexico is also a contendor! While the USA and CSA, still at each others throats, dream of extending thier territories past the Mississippi to gain an edge over the other, but will have to make some allies to do so.


Imperialist America:
What if America had always been an Imperialist power and built an empire for itself in the Americas *beyond what we really control*, and globablly. I'll need to research the timeline of Imperialism a bit on this one, however it could prove interesting. This may include some civs that were not imperialist also going imperialist, and maybe an imperialist nation going non-imperialist.


Age of Ambition:
What if there had been no world war one? We assume some of the weapons of war were developed, if later. In the 1930s/40s of such a world, you can take the reigns of a large selection of powers, both east and west, and establish yourself as a superpower. (I'd make infantry, and other units more unique to each nation here... which could make it interesting. This would also allow smaller civs on the map that were major powers to maintain strength)

Non-Nuetral Swiss:
What if the Swiss had slowly, over its early history, had risen to become a bigger player in Europe? Perhaps even having access to the seas before colinization began? Would a signifigant Swiss presence in the Americas, and weakened neighboring states changed history? (debateable start time here)


I leave it up to you decide.

 

[Mobilize]

Well I would like to see the alternative history of the world if the Spanish would've taken over the British Isles the most. There are several Native American power ones which are being created right now. The Age of Ambition scenario sounds interesting as well but I don't get what it's exactly about, I'm rather confused.

So do the Spanish Armada one. However, I do find it kind of interesting on how the Irish would be independent being that they are so Catholic and such and joining such a Holy Empire would be a must.. however it's alternative history so whatever's fine. Good luck.

 

[NaZ]

Spanish Armada/Non-neutral Swiss but i dont like an Imperialist America Idea because if the Europeans never colonized the tribes would rule, in both ways! I would also like little american colonies from Europe! Spoilt for choice.

 

[sela1s1son]

Originally posted by Mobilize

So do the Spanish Armada one. However, I do find it kind of interesting on how the Irish would be independent being that they are so Catholic and such and joining such a Holy Empire would be a must.. however it's alternative history so whatever's fine. Good luck.

I confess I am Irish/Swiss/Austo-German primarily in my heritage, and Catholic. Maybe I had to live in the days of the Holy Empire, but I have a feeling that the Irish fierce love of independence might disuade them from *joining*, but they'd probably be allied! Oooh so many ideas.



The age of ambtition is basically where you can choose a nation:
England
USA
Germany
France
Italy
Russia
Japan
Spain
(I'll add Belgium for fun)
maybe China
and possibly one or two more nations... set in a world with no World War One, so you've got the world as it was then, and rough equivalent of military technology (they might be behind by five to ten years due to no WWI to spur the development). Basically your goal is to 'dominate' (not fully conquer) the world. Thus making you a superpower.

 

[Al Zan]

Imperialist Americas sound good to me!
What happen to USA Loses Cold War did you stop working on it?

 

[sela1s1son]

Oh no! I'm still working on USA loses Cold War.

When I said that I tire of working for one... I might work on the USA Loses Cold War scenario though October and November, then want to work on something else (one of these scenarios), then when I tire of that one go back to USA losing Cold War. That helps me keep on task.

 

[sela1s1son]

Is everyone paying attention to the civ 4 stuff?

 

[sela1s1son]

Ok, discussing possibilites.

Scenario option one:
The Big Dogs in North America will be: Sioux, Iroqouis, and Apache for sure.

Other signifigant powers: Cherokee, Shawnee?, Choctaw?, Pawne, Navajo (possible big dog), Cheyenne

Possible inclusion: Shoshone, Ute, Paiute, Blackfoot, Cree


Scenario 2:
Big Dogs: Ireland, United Holy Kingdom, Mexico, Turkey, Netherlands... Germany, Japan, Russia, and China are signifigant and pretty close to the big dogs.

Scenario 3: Still figuring this one out

Age of Ambition: Already commented

Scenario 5:
Depends where I start it, Switzerland will be a signifigant power. This might even be a European map, depending on what I decide.

 

[Overlag]

voted for 1, but i think 4 would be good too

 

[Gogf]

I like age of ambition.

 

[andrew510]

number 1

 

[Oruc]

Nope!

 

[sela1s1son]

For age of ambition:

I will include Austria Hungary, partially because it's easier to do then have several smaller nations... and they existed before WWI, and with no WWI, they probably would still be around in the 30s and 40s.

Turkey/Ottomons will still be around, and will probably control the part of the Balkans they did. (IIRC, they had a fairly noticeable presence there).

Probably no Poland, as the pre WWI borders between Russia and Germany would be used.

English would have thier empire, as would the other colonial powers.

I'd give a number of nations thier own Infantry, Tanks, etc using the PTW bonus unit set. English Infantry, as an example, I could give a higher defense... whereas I might make Russian Infantry a little worse, but much cheaper. Germany infantry could have cheap(er)/no support. These are just examples so you know what I mean, not actual predictions of what I'll make them.

Most of Europe will probably be playable, as will Japan. Other possible players Civs would be China, and maybe one or two 'long shots'.


Soon, I might start drawing prototype world maps that are ideas as to what these worlds may look like. Some of these can, and most likely will, change before the scenario is made... but you'll get an idea of what I'm going for.

 

[andrew510]

Sela1s1son,
how about this for the no/little euro colonies in america?

The aztecs dominated the south american tribes, so they have a large presence in the south american continent. Sioux and Apache are at war with each other, the Apache allied with the aztecs, and the Sioux with the Irouiqus. the other tribes are nuetral, and the mayans and incas are either nonexistant or signifigantly weakened. europe is on verge of letting go of there african colonies, and 3 major european alliances have been formed (Germany and Finland, Britain and Russia, Italy and France), the rest of europe is neutral.

 

[sela1s1son]

I dunno, I think the Europeans should still have a presence in at least some of Africa, which would give them access to resources. I think both regions would have a good amount of turmoil, as the various world powers would like to establish themselves as the leader regionally. On the other hand, we must also look to Asia to see that has developed. It is very likely a number of nations there would have developed into the world stage. So the Little/no Euro colones would probably lead to a larger number of world powers, making any world war far wider in scope and far bloodier.

As for Asia: Japan, China, and Russia (Russia exists both in Europe and Asia) stand out as obvious choices for world powers. The question is what other nations would be likely? Turkey seem like another choice, extending into Asia. What will become of India?

Perhaps European African presence is more like how they were in China: Primarily Ports. Although I'd probably have some parts of Africa under European control beyond that. We could possibly see some African civs developed as well? There's a lot of possibilities with this scenario which makes it such a nice treat for conjecture and discussion! Perhaps, Turkey, China, and Japan also have a presence in Africa? Eastern Colonialism and Imperialism (but on the same scale that I'll have European Colonialism/Imperialism). While the American civs are probably stronger at home, with less Conialism/Imperialism (I could see this on Pacifici Islands for sure, Africa possibly)

Ooooh the possibilities!

 

[sela1s1son]

The poll is still pretty close, hmmm...

Vote people! ;-)

I have a feeling Non-Nuetral Swiss isn't going to get a lot of votes

 

[veezed]

Originally posted by sela1s1son
The poll is still pretty close, hmmm...

Vote people! ;-)

I have a feeling Non-Nuetral Swiss isn't going to get a lot of votes

Well it's so hard to imagine what would really happen and why that would be any different to today's scenario, right? I think ambition can incorporate non-neutral swiss as well. Except Europe will be ubercrowded.

 

[sela1s1son]

True, there is a point there. However if the Swiss had gone militant from thier beginnings (several hundred years ago IIRC) it could make a signifigant change.

I'm hesititant to do a 360x360 map for AoA, as it would really slow the game down and I might place so many cities and get the "To many cities" error. However it would allow for more nations to get better repersentation such as the European nations, particularly the smaller ones like Belgium or Switzerland. Although important European nations (Like Austro-Hungary, Englang, Germany and others) would get representation and thier strengths (if not in geopolitical presence) reflected in thier units.

 

[sela1s1son]

Hmmmm I'd like to hear people's ideas and opinions... I wish to discuss the possibilites so we all get a better idea of what we could do.

 

[sela1s1son]

Well it looks like there's a threeway tie... lol.

Seems like, even from the comments, those three are indeed more popular. Also someone may have mentioned that Imperialist America could fit into the Age of Ambition... and it kinda does, or can be.

So if I snuck a bit of Imperialist America in the 1910's and 1920's... we could make the AoA more interesting. Just my thoughts on the matter.