Need to prove to my mom that Evolution is real

[GoldEagle]

So, my mom and I have been having a big debate...I don't really study/research evolution, so my knowledge is small, but I can overpower my mom in our arguements, but she ends up saying that there weren't millions and millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. So, I need some easy debate-enders and facts from you guys that Evolution (not necessarily Darwinism) is correct, or at least a much more plausible.

Please don't turn this into a Creation vs. Evolution thread.

Thanks,
-GE

 

[CaptainF]

Why do you need to prove it to her?

 

[Chazumi]

So, my mom and I have been having a big debate...I don't really study/research evolution, so my knowledge is small, but I can overpower my mom in our arguements, but she ends up saying that there weren't millions and millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. So, I need some easy debate-enders and facts from you guys that Evolution (not necessarily Darwinism) is correct, or at least a much more plausible.

Please don't turn this into a Creation vs. Evolution thread.

Thanks,
-GE

What point is she trying to make about there not being millions of years between 1:1 and 1:2? Humans haven't changed very much in the past 500,000 years, except we live longer and are a bit taller... but then again evolution takes a lot longer than that

 

[Bluemofia]

So, my mom and I have been having a big debate...I don't really study/research evolution, so my knowledge is small, but I can overpower my mom in our arguements, but she ends up saying that there weren't millions and millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. So, I need some easy debate-enders and facts from you guys that Evolution (not necessarily Darwinism) is correct, or at least a much more plausible.

Please don't turn this into a Creation vs. Evolution thread.

Thanks,
-GE

Simply state it:

Where in the Bible does it say that there weren't millions and millions of years?

 

[The Last Conformist]

http://www.talkorigins.org/ is a good source of facts and arguments.

 

[Shadylookin]

The first chapter of the bible is completely wrong. you have the earth, plants, water, and light before there is even a sun.

You can start by telling here that fossils are millions of years old

 

[GenMarshall]

First of all, how literal does your mother take the Bible? I have a feeling that she might be one of thoes devout Evangical Protestant Christians, so nothing from Catholicism would help.

 

[El_Machinae]

Ask her if she really believes that dinosaurs were still alive when humans were alive. Then ask her what happened to them.

Ask her why all the dinosaur fossils are below the mammal fossils in solid rock

 

[GoldEagle]

First of all, how literal does your mother take the Bible? I have a feeling that she might be one of thoes devout Evangical Protestant Christians, so nothing from Catholicism would help.

That's her arlight.

 

[skadistic]

Tell her to prove the bible is fact.

 

[zstep16]

Explain to her how crazy it would have been for God to try and explain the idea of evolution during that time.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Just don't bother. What is there to gain ?
Either she wants to honestly know -> http://www.talkorigins.org/
Or she is not open minded enough to accept the facts and in that case you'll never convince her. Religious people don't get their opinions from fact or logic but from faith and any inconsistency is waved away.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

but she ends up saying that there weren't millions and millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

Hopeless.
If she really believes this, you are wasting your time.

 

[GenMarshall]

That's her arlight.

I would guess that she would also be biased against Catholicism and not receptive to anything what the Catholic Church has to with evolution would help.

(Note: Catholics dont take creationism as literal as Evangical Protestants. Catholics, including the late John Paul II accept Evolution)

 

[puglover]

There doesn't seem to be enough physical evidence to prove the theory of evolution at all. But it would appear to be a plausible theory for the diversity of species.

Personally, I'm an old earth creationist, but don't put value on evolutionary theory.

 

[Ansar]

Religious people don't get their opinions from fact or logic but from faith and any inconsistency is waved away.

can I put that in my sig?

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

Ask her whether Genesis 1 or Genesis 2 is true, because they are inconsistent (and, indeed, Genesis 2 was written first).

Ask her which came first, the plants on earth or the stars in the sky, and then ask her to explain Genesis 1:11-17.

Ask her to explain the water cycle, and then ask her to explain Genesis 1:6, 7:11, Ezek 10:1, etc. What keeps the stars from falling to earth? What keeps the water in the sky from pouring down as rain? Is it really a crystal dome surrounding the planet, as the ancients believed? Do windows open in the sky when it rains? Are the stars "embedded" in a firmament?

 

[Elrohir]

The first chapter of the bible is completely wrong. you have the earth, plants, water, and light before there is even a sun.

You can start by telling here that fossils are millions of years old

It doesn't matter that the sun wasn't created - there was still light. Photosynthesis is required for plants, and for that you need light - but it doesn't have to be the Sun's specific light. That's really not a very good argument.

GoldEagle, why do you care, really? Honestly, I think everyone spends too much time debating this issue. Why do you need to "prove" it to her? Really, there are no simple, easy, and provable answers to this question, everyone has their own opinions and facts that they like to put forward - if it was something that could be disproven by a single sentence you could learn off of an internet forum, it wouldn't be much of a debate, huh?

Just don't bother. What is there to gain ?
Either she wants to honestly know -> http://www.talkorigins.org/
Or she is not open minded enough to accept the facts and in that case you'll never convince her. Religious people don't get their opinions from fact or logic but from faith and any inconsistency is waved away.

Yeah, thanks buddy. That was seriously insulting; just because you think some religious people don't use their brains (And you'd be right; check out Peter Popoff and his crew - nuts) doesn't mean every single one does. You shouldn't generalize like that.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

That's really not a very good argument.

Neither is the argument that the Sun is younger than a million years. In fact, it marks the debater as an idiot who's yammering about subjects he/she knows nothing about. That's not an adhominem attack, it's simple fact.

Really, there are no simple, easy, and provable answers to this question, everyone has their own opinions and facts that they like to put forward

The person who knows he's losing the debate is the first to try to muddy the waters.

Claiming that "there are no provable answers" is an easy escape from facing defeat after skewering oneself on one's own indefensible premises. Moreover, it only reinforces the impression of willful ignorance.

The "rebuttal" that we "need more research" or "there is no real conclusive outcome" is the first resort of those whose side of any question has been trashed by real science. Kind of pitiful.

Why do you need to "prove" it to her?

He doesn't need to prove crap to her. She has already made the absolutely indefensible claim that the universe is younger than a billion years. She needs to back that up or shut her trap.

 

[Elrohir]

Neither is the argument that the Sun is younger than a million years. In fact, it marks the debater as an idiot who's yammering about subjects he/she knows nothing about. That's not an adhominem attack, it's simple fact.

So your saying you know that there's no such thing as God, and you know that He doesn't have the power to create a star however He saw fit?

Amazing. I must get you to share the secret of being so sure of yourself with me - if you could do that without calling me an idiot. That would be much appreciated.

The person who knows he's losing the debate is the first to try to muddy the waters.

Claiming that "there are no provable answers" is an easy escape from facing defeat after skewering oneself on one's own indefensible premises. Moreover, it only reinforces the impression of willful ignorance

The "rebuttal" that we "need more research" or "there is no real conclusive outcome" is the first resort of those whose side of any question has been trashed by real science. Kind of pitiful.

Did you have any constructive points in this portion of your post? Or was it just blabbering? I'm afraid if there was something constructive here, you'll have to point it out to me, as I'm a bit tired this evening.

He doesn't need to prove crap to her. She has already made the absolutely indefensible claim that the universe is younger than a billion years. She needs to back that up or shut her trap.

Do you actually read the titles and opening posts of threads, or do you just click around and post random things? Allow me to show you the topic title, in case you somehow missed it: "Need to prove to my mom that Evolution is real". Gold Eagle apparently believes that he has to prove that "evolution is real" to his Mom - instead of getting annoyed at me for this, why don't you share your opinion with him? (Perferably in a much more polite manner than your last post, if that's not too much trouble)