Need to prove to my mom that Evolution is real

[Erik Mesoy]

I think you should explain whether you want to convince her of the event of evolution (e.g. the 29 Instances Of Speciation), or the theory of evolution (e.g. accumulation of selected mutations).

 

[GoldEagle]

I just want to disprove Creation, really. I'd like to make a list of quick, easy to remember things that I could say/ask her.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Talking points eh?

Denial of History: How come neither the Egyptians or the Chinese or the Indians noticed Noah's Flood? Also, how come there are records of solar eclipses going further back than 6000 years? Were they, also, created with the appearance of age? (Random googled reference)

The Nylon Bug - after we created nylon, bacteria evolved to be able to eat it.
Counterargument: Such abilities were latent and aren't new.
Counter-counter: The logical conclusion of such an argument is that there are infinite latent abilities for everything we will invent.

Cladistics, or family trees support the notion of common descent and gradual deviation of species.

Humans are suboptimal in many ways, for example having blind spots.

Look up contradictions on the SAB.

Depending on how literalist your mother is, point out that the hare doesn't chew the cud (in contradiction to the Bible) and the bat isn't a bird (ditto).

How did the dinosaurs fit on Noah's Ark? For that matter, how did all the different animals fit on Noah's Ark?
Counterargument: Only major types (baramin) of animals were on the ark.
Counter-counter: Then evolution must have happened really, really quickly afterwards. I thought you denied evolution happening?

PS. The Noachian Deluge supposedly covered the Earth, even Mount Everest. Pull out your school textbook, find the formula for the volume of a sphere, and calculate the amount of water required to cover the Earth to a depth of 8km. (The Earth has a radius of about 6500 km.) Ask where the water came from and where it went to. Compare to these values for the water we have.

PPS. If you know some physics, work out the heat released by all that water falling from an average height of 4km, assuming that it was released from the top of Everest.

 

[Kan' Sharuminar]

Tell her to register with Civfanatics and have a one on one with CurtSibling or Perfection

 

[Smidlee]

I just want to disprove Creation, really.

This is bias view. You have already made up your mind which she can obviously tell. When it come down to it, She doesn't put her trust in the same people you put your trust in. The real question is why you want to argue stuff like this with your mom?

 

[GoldEagle]

The real question is why you want to argue stuff like this with your mom?

Because I want to disprove this too her, and she's really annoying me with all her Christian music.

 

[Smidlee]

Because I want to disprove this too her, and she's really annoying me with all her Christian music.

Wait until you get a mother-in-law. Wisdom will (I hope) teach you most arguments, especially among your family, should be avoided. I had a mother-in-law who believe in women preachers while she knew I did not. Sometimes she would tried to bait an argument by mentioning women preachers to me. I just smiled while refusing to take the bait.

 

[Zarn]

Tell her to register with Civfanatics and have a one on one with CurtSibling or Perfection

For disproof of Creationism, put her one on one with me or even better yet a Protestant. It is much better when another Christian says Genesis is more so for story telling than anything else.

FYI, I'm a creationist, but I am not a Creationist (literal Bible stuff).

 

[GoldEagle]

Wait until you get a mother-in-law. Wisdom will (I hope) teach you most arguments, especially among your family, should be avoided. I had a mother-in-law who believe in women preachers while she knew I did not. Sometimes she would tried to bait an argument by mentioning women preachers to me. I just smiled while refusing to take the bait.

What's wrong with female preachers?

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Tell her to register with Civfanatics and have a one on one with CurtSibling or Perfection

Have the debate with Perfection, and do it by email where it'll be more credible. Curt either doesn't understand evolution, or he misrepresents it in order to attack theists.

You changed today, Puglover - In tiny ways you evolved, you grew,lost skin, gained liquids, lost hairs.

This is bias view. You have already made up your mind which she can obviously tell. When it come down to it, She doesn't put her trust in the same people you put your trust in. The real question is why you want to argue stuff like this with your mom?

"Bias view" is held by you, not by him. His mother isn't simply putting her trust in "different people", she is taking a scientific subject and listening to a religious fringe group over the views of scientists in the appropriate fields.

It's like claiming that the periodic table is communist propaganda and we should give equal time to the Four Elements, or that electrons don't exist and transistors are controlled by little demons opening and closing them. When you call it "making up your mind" to think that there exist a hundred elements, you're implying some sort of choice between actual arguments which isn't there.

 

[Bluemofia]

Because I want to disprove this too her, and she's really annoying me with all her Christian music.

My mom's basically using Bhuddist music/prayers to annoy my dad.

It doesn't bother me much, but it does when she puts it up really loud. (just to annoy my dad)

So what I do, is to go to my room or some isolated place relitivly sound proof to deal with it.



Funny thing is, when I mentioned faith healing doesn't work to her, she just says the experiment was wrong without even looking at it.

And then she avoided the subject.

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

So, my mom and I have been having a big debate...I don't really study/research evolution, so my knowledge is small, but I can overpower my mom in our arguements, but she ends up saying that there weren't millions and millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. So, I need some easy debate-enders and facts from you guys that Evolution (not necessarily Darwinism) is correct, or at least a much more plausible.

Please don't turn this into a Creation vs. Evolution thread.

Thanks,
-GE

You've already "lost", because she's pointing to Genesis for scientific validation. Your mother has no interest in science, only religion.

 

[Smidlee]

"Bias view" is held by you, not by him.

I know of my own bias views but I'm not in the argument. It does help to realize one's own bias.

His mother isn't simply putting her trust in "different people", she is taking a scientific subject and listening to a religious fringe group over the views of scientists in the appropriate fields.

It's like claiming that the periodic table is communist propaganda and we should give equal time to the Four Elements, or that electrons don't exist and transistors are controlled by little demons opening and closing them. When you call it "making up your mind" to think that there exist a hundred elements, you're implying some sort of choice between actual arguments which isn't there.

You do understand the difference between claims like "ape and man has a common ancestor" and "splitting the atom can destroy cities" right? Since I'm sure his mother has a TV she has first-hand knowledge that you can send a signal though the air and reproduce an image on a screen.

 

[Perfection]

I just want to disprove Creation, really. I'd like to make a list of quick, easy to remember things that I could say/ask her.

Evolution is not proven by quick and easy facts. It's based on mountains of information. There's no quick way to prove her wrong. She needs to first listen.

Because I want to disprove this too her, and she's really annoying me with all her Christian music.

My mother's music selection often annoys me too. However, trying to prove evolution to her is a really dumb way to try and fix the situation.

Wisdom will (I hope) teach you most arguments, especially among your family, should be avoided.

There's a lot of wisdom in these words. Of course, it is very dependant on the personality of those involved. There are a few family members of mine where such debates occur, but it's important to know when to end the debate and when debating turns into badgering.

You do understand the difference between claims like "ape and man has a common ancestor" and "splitting the atom can destroy cities" right?

Yeah, the evidence for the first is easily summed up by nice picture, while evolution requires the analysis of the minutae of a wide variety of phenomena.

Since I'm sure his mother has a TV she has first-hand knowledge that you can send a signal though the air and reproduce an image on a screen.

First-hand knowledge should not be the sole thing you base you scientific knowledge on.

 

[Shadylookin]

Surely you are not considering that the sun is our only source of light. Surely you are not saying that we cannot have other sources that help plants grow. Alll the sun is, is a source of light. Light is what is needed, not necessarily from the sun. The reason the sun is so important to us is by the fact that it is gives us just enough light and heat to make our lives comfortable.

It doesn't matter that the sun wasn't created - there was still light. Photosynthesis is required for plants, and for that you need light - but it doesn't have to be the Sun's specific light. That's really not a very good argument.

there is no light without the sun or stars. without the sun there is no heat. No light and no heat means there is no plants plain and simple. go outside at night and tell me how bright it is and if you really don't believe me try growing a plant at night.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

The plants were obviously sustained by the light of God. Or they were all mushrooms.

 

[Atlas14]

Ask your mom why long-term use of anti-bacterial products proves to be less and less effective as use increases. Its because the populations gradually evolve to where only those that possess immunity either genetically or physically through a superior exterior complex are surviving. Its a matter of natural selection, but this is a large component of evolution. It makes perfect sense.

 

[Eukaryote]

So, my mom and I have been having a big debate...I don't really study/research evolution, so my knowledge is small, but I can overpower my mom in our arguements, but she ends up saying that there weren't millions and millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. So, I need some easy debate-enders and facts from you guys that Evolution (not necessarily Darwinism) is correct, or at least a much more plausible.

Please don't turn this into a Creation vs. Evolution thread.

Thanks,
-GE

You need to prove things to others, forcing your belifs on them? You are one sick guy! What your Mom thinks is her choice and she isn't harming anyone. So why do you care? Just leave your mom alone, you aren't being a hero you know! And the other posts seem to convince me that you don't like chirstian things and are trying to convert people to athiesm. Ok;

#1 People have a birthright to choose thier faith.
#2 Being and Athiest doesn't please any God or Grant you any Afterlife so what's the point of converting people to it. It won't solve any of the worlds problems.
#3 Keep in mind even though you may have scientifical evedence agasit God, there is lots of scientifical and archilogiacal evedence for him.
#4 What are you getting out of this anyway?

 

[Eukaryote]

Wait until you get a mother-in-law. Wisdom will (I hope) teach you most arguments, especially among your family, should be avoided. I had a mother-in-law who believe in women preachers while she knew I did not. Sometimes she would tried to bait an argument by mentioning women preachers to me. I just smiled while refusing to take the bait.

You suck!

 

[garric]

Evolution is as false as Christian creationism.