Nero02-no science - Emperor

Got it. Will play tomorrow.
 
1500 BC (0)
Switch Grand River to Archer

IT: Salamanca Settler >> Warrior

1475 BC (1)
IT: Niagara Falls Settler >> Worker

1450 BC (2)
Centralia founded (will be sacked this turn)

IT: Centralia sacked for 7 gold
Salamanca Warrior >> Settler
Grand River Archer >> Warrior (desperately need MPs, no time for barracks)
Dutch complete Colossus

1425 BC (3)
IT: More barbs approach Centralia
Niagara Falls Worker >> Worker

1400 BC (4)
Akwesasne founded

IT: Centralia sacked twice for 12 gold total
Grand River Warrior >> Warrior

1375 BC (5)
IT: Niagara Falls Worker >> Worker
Oil Springs Curragh >> Curragh

1350 BC (6)
IT: Salamanca Settler >> Settler
Grand River Warrior >> Warrior

1325 BC (7)
IT: Curragh sank by barbs just out of Oil Springs
Niagara Falls Worker >> Worker

1300 BC (8)
Tyendenaga founded

IT: Grand River Warrior >> Warrior
Mauch Chunk riots - oops
Akwesasne Warrior >> Barracks

1275 BC (9)
Clear camp, move to settle on same tile

IT: Niagara Falls Worker >> Worker

1250 BC (10)
Kahnawake founded
Curragh in north sees blue border
Settler heading north of Allegheny sees barb horse in hill - not good.


Nothing much to add. Salamanca is running 4-turn settlers, needs MM to +5 fpt each time it grows. Niagara Falls is on 2-turn workers, needs MM to +5 food as each worker is complete.
 
Pre-Turn: St. Regis is about to riot. If I raise luxury tax up we lose 14 gpt. Instead I move a citizen to work a river tile (less shields but enough commerce to have 1 happy, 1 unhappy).
IT: Barb horse takes out our settler. Barb warrior joins him in his victory dance. Salamanca Settler>Settler. Grand River Warrior>Warrior.

1225 BC: Wow! I’m having to reposition citizens to keep them happy with a 30% luxury tax! Meet the Mayans. They have the same techs are other known neighbors have plus 450 gold! Check around and find that both the Mayans and the Ottomans are the cheapest ones to pick up Writing. Since the Ottomans are at 0 gold I buy through them.
Ottomans: We get Writing; we give 1 gpt and 193 gold.
Niagara Falls Worker>Worker. Centralia Warrior>Warrior.

1200 BC: Getting Writing opens up a lot of techs as you can see here:

Neo2_Techs_1200bc.JPG


Code of Laws is only known by two civs and Philosophy is known by three. So, I do this:
Maya: We get Code of Laws; we give 15 gpt and 18 gold.
Ottomans: We get Philosophy and 68 gold; we give Code of Laws.
Japan: We get Masonry, Horseback Riding, and Mysticism; we give Code of Laws, Philosophy, 2 gpt, and 82 gold.
Techs still left out there: Map Making, Mathematics, and Polytheism
IT: Grand River Warrior>Warrior. Tonawanda Barracks>Archer. Mauch Chunk Barracks>Archer. The Dutch have built the Great Lighthouse.

1175 BC: Zzzz
IT: Horse connected. Niagara Falls Worker>Worker.

1150 BC: Any archer builds were switched to Mounted Warriors.
IT: Salamanca Settler>Settler. Grand River Warrior>Warrior. Ottomans are building MoM.

1125 BC: Our curragh takes out a barb ship and is promoted.
IT: Niagara Falls Worker>Worker. Oil Springs Curragh>Curragh. The Ottomans establish an embassy with us.

1100 BC: Our curragh meets the Indians. They have Mathematics and 75 gold and are short Writing and Horseback Riding. The curragh sees a pink border to the south so I’ll wait one turn before trading. With the Ottoman embassy we find they only know the Japanese and Russians.
IT: Barb ship fails to sink our exploring curragh. Another barb ship attempts to sink our curragh located at home. It fails and our curragh is promoted. Grand River Warrior>Warrior. Centralia Warrior>Warrior.

1075 BC: Caughnawaga founded, begins warrior. We meet the Inca’s. They are up Math, Map Making, Polytheism and have 13 gold. They are short Philosophy and Code of Laws. Current knowledge looks like this:

Neo2_Techs_1075bc.JPG


India: We get Mathematics and 75 gold; we give Writing and Horseback Riding
IT: Niagara Falls Worker>Worker. Maya, Ottomans, and Russia all have Construction.

1050 BC: Zzzz
IT: Salamanca Settler>Settler. Grand River Warrior>Barracks.

1025 BC: Zzzz
IT: Wasn’t paying attention and lose a settler to a barb horse. Niagara Falls Worker>Worker. Tyendenaga Curragh>Barracks.

1000 BC: Vet curragh takes out another barb ship near our western coast. Take out the barb horse who killed our settler.

-Mauch Chunk has one taxman that should be kept for this turn only. This way we don’t waste 1 food at growth and gain 1 commerce through taxes. After growth you may have to put one citizen working the coast to make enough commerce to keep the citizens happy.
-Every time Salamanca and Niagara Falls grows they need to be MM’ed so that they are at +5 food. For Salamanca that means taking the citizen off the forests and onto a watered plains. For NF that means taking the citizen off the forests and onto the mined grass.
-With no science commerce means everything so we need to make sure every tile is improved.
-There is a settler in Allegheny. I’m not for sure where our city placement plans are.

Here’s the current tech situation:

Neo2_Techs_1000bc.JPG


Here’s the save.

Roster:
Nerovats- On Deck
Mathias
Methos- Just Played
namliaM- Up
 
Trades look very nice. If I counted right, thats 585 gold for 866 beakers worth of technology, not counting the later trade with India. That's with cost-reduction at time of trades factored in. Full price value is 1110 beakers.

We can get Polytheism from Inca for Code of Laws and 71 gold. We should then be able to get Map Making from Japan for Polytheism and possibly some gold. If Japan is SW of the Ottomans, lacking contact with most of the world, he'll probably trade straight up.

I assume our warrior-scout is on his way to meet with the Dutch. Their border is visible north of Russia.

I'll also state the obvious: catapults won't do us any good until we can put a road through the marsh, so we should avoid building them.
 
This looks a whole lot better now. Should just be trailing Construction in a couple of turns. Nice trading.
 
Ze Zave

Pre turn

Change Centralia to Barracks

Am somewhat impressed at our current status in this game... Tho we have way to many reg warriors and stuff...

IT Cattaraugus Barracks> MW

1@975
Create a clown in Mauch Chunk
Looking at our current situation, happyness is going to be a factor soon.... So I change a -few- builds to temples. and send the settler to claim the furs...

IT Niagara Falls Worker> Worker

2@950
zzzz

IT Kicked from Russia
Salamanca Settler> Settler
Tonowanda MW> WOrker

3@925
zzz

IT Niagara Falls Worker> Worker
Mauch MW> Settler (Happyness problems)
Akwes Barracks> Worker

4@900
Trade Poly from Inca for CoL + 71g

IT Tonawanda Worker> Temple

5@875
Inca, Maya, Ottomans and Russia all have Monarchy. Nobody is willing to sell it.
Russia is the Runaway!!! They have 1078 gold at the moment

IT Niagara Falls Worker> Worker

6@850
zzzzz

IT MW promotes agains Barb Tent

7@825
zzzz

IT Get boted from Russia
Japan demands Poly, He is far away... NO WAY => They DoW
lose unprotected Settler to barbs...
Salamanca Settler> Settler
Niagara Falls Worker> Worker

8@800
zzzz

9@775
zzzz

IT OOOOPS!!! Ottomans and Japan sign against us....
Niagara Falls Worker> Worker
Grand river Temple> Barracks

Spot a green (Japanese) galley NW of Tonawanda

10@750
Found Oka> Temple
Trade CoL + Poly for Construction + 10g (India)

I started some temples as we will have use for the culture (no use for libs) and will need the happy face too. I tried to get to the Furs but met some barbs...

I left a move on a Curragh so you can see the Japanese boat which is on its way to us.... We are at war with the Japanese and the Ottomans
We have 2 MWs, 1 Elite, a third will be done next turn
There is a Barb camp North of our Vet MW

Allegheny will need some mines aside from the Irrigating thats going on now... It will get a Temple next turn, so you can grow a bit without problems....

Repelling the Japanese invation with our MWs will trigger our GA, I didnt think of that till now... Else I would have given into the demand... Now we probably stuck with Despot GA, SORRY...
 
Asuming they will just land 1 or units we might be able to fend them off with just some warriors/archers. Agree to try and postpone the GA.

Didn´t we meet the Dutch, and didn´t Japan want to trade MM for Poly?

Will play tomorrow.
 
Watch trades every turn. Hopefully you use CAII or CivAssist. We can't afford to let possible trades wait very long since we are not researching. When it comes to the point where everyone knows the same thing we are forced to pay cash and can't resell it to make something back. So watch every turn and always check what it's worth.

One more thing, I suggest we not trade with Russia as namliaM stated they were appearing to be the runaway. Haven't looked at the save yet.
 
-First off, let me remind you that too many wars is what sunk our last attempt at a no science/space game. The only good war is when up against a civ that isn’t helpful in either researching techs or able to pay us for them.
-Salamanca needs to be MM’ed to +5 food. Same with Niagara Falls.
-Mauch Chunk does not need the clown. Remove the clown and set him to working a tile. After the settler finishes build a temple.
-Speaking of temples, I agree with namliaM in that we need to build a lot of them. We need our people happy so we can have a higher population. It doesn’t appear that there are any luxury resources nearby so temples it is.
-If you move the taxman in Kahnawake to the coast we’ll have one happy, one unhappy. This also gives us +1 food.
-North of Russia is an unknown border. We have a warrior near there who may want to check that out. We need every contact so we can better trade.
 
Pre-turn
MM cities, move warrior out of Tontwanda hope japan will land there
Contact Dutch they also got MM and monarchy, no trades
730BC
Allegheny temple->rax sentelite warrior to coast
Put horse in Oka.
710BC
Salamanca settler->settler
NF worker->worker
Japanese Galley heads back home
Mayans and russians have republic, mayans have all the gold now, can't buy it. Get embasy with russians, can get republic for RoP, 36 gpt and 320 gold, ut that's to much, will try after the other civ's get it.
Japan is now approaching by land. Have spear and archer on hill hope they'll hold.
Just now see we have an elite MW, but didnt get GA?
690BC
Mauch Chunk settler->settler
Japanese seem to head to Oka, move warrior out of Caugnawaka
670BC
NF worker->worker
Akwesane worker->temple
Japanese have claimed the wine. When we can't avoid GA we should take it.
Netherlands have republic now to, accept inca's to get it soon too, which will lower price further.
650BC
Moving
Japanese attack but lose, they attacked 1 MW which lost, they don't take Caugnawaka
630BC
in counter attack kill 1 warrior, move MW into Japanese area, Now they want peace, get lit and MM for construction
Change settlers to temples, as there won't be any room to expand anymore, until we find some more land.
610BC
Russians claimed the furs.
It appears we had war heapines we're having lot of riots (sorry).
590BC
NF keeps on producing workers
570BC
Currency is around, buy it for 22 gpt and 10 gold form Mayans
Get republic from dutch for currency, 6gpt and 465gold
Revolt
Inca can only afford 4 gpt and 19 gold, decide not to sell, since anarchy will last 5 turns and we've got enough gold left to make period whithout deficit.
550BC
moving

There's a settler next to Yokohama, was thinking of settling east of banana.
Also settle on coast where MW is and 2 west of Yokohama. Could imediatly attack Yokohama after getting out of anarchy , we've got 3 MW's (1 elite) an elite warrior and vet archer, should be enough to claim lux. Japan is close s hould open trap near Tonawande or Oka. I hessitated a bit in buying republic, but now got currency too fr same initial price. Might have been better tough to wait just bit longer, what do you think?
 
Got it. I'll get to it this evening. Of course, I'll check for comments before I begin.
 
Nerovats said:
Just now see we have an elite MW, but didnt get GA?
no .. no GA...
my log said:
MW promotes agains Barb Tent
Nerovats said:
It appears we had war heapines we're having lot of riots (sorry).
IN depo? I thought you didnt get WW and WH in depo?
Nerovats said:
There's a settler next to Yokohama, was thinking of settling east of banana.
I would put it SE of banana...
Nerovats said:
Might have been better tough to wait just bit longer, what do you think?
Republic is a big one... Getting it a little sooner will return on investment I think...
If we would wait, then we should have done so till we got something like Mono. What someone didnt have yet.... But thats quite a while away yet...
The added shields and commerce will make good (I hope).

We are not at peace yet with Japan? Ithought you said we were, if so we need to keep 20 turn in mind....
 
Yes ofcourse, 20 turns wait on Japan treaty to expire. Could take lux from russia, we need to decrease lux slider.
About war happines, I was using civassist, got no message of riots next turn, so something must have happend inside turn, only thing I can come up with was end of Japanese war.
Didn´t know a won battle against a barb doesn´t trigger GA.
 
Barbs dont trigger ga, same as they dont trigger MGLs...
But you can promote off of them... I have left land open in epic games on purpose to generate Barbs which I can then use to promote to Elite.

More elite wins (in normal -non barb- battle) = more MGLs, but it never has worked like I wanted it to...
 
550 BC (0)
Trade Republic to Inca for Monarchy and 4 gpt. Better now than never.
IT: Maya building Sun Tzu's

530 BC (1)
IT: Inca complete Great Library in Machu Picchu
Cascade: Dutch complete Great Wall

510 BC (2)
Chondote founded

490 BC (3)
IT: We become a Republic

470 BC (4)
Gandasetaigon founded

450 BC (5)
Ganogeh founded
IT: Grand River MW >> MW
Centralia Temple >> Barracks

430 BC (6)
Gayagaahe founded

410 BC (7)
IT Salamanca Temple >> Barracks
Allegheny Barracks >> MW
Tyendenaga Temple >> Barracks

390 BC (8)

370 BC (9)
IT: Grand River MW >> MW
St. Regis Barracks >> MW
Kahnawake Temple >> Barracks

350 BC (10)
Some workers waiting for orders

Not much to add. Builds in new cities can certainly be changed, not sure what we want to do there.
 
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