NES2 VI - Last Semblance of Order.

[Stormbringer]

4.) Russia's unsolicited intervention in the Sino-Japanese War and its illegal annexation of the greater bulk of western China despite having contributed absolutely nothing to the war effort and not having fired a shot, excepting its actions against Japan.

The first three points made by Japan are acceptable. The last one cited here, however, is not, as the Mongol tribes in the area have publically requested Russian protection and both Japan and France recognized the Russian protectorate over these lands at the time.

 

[Symphony D.]

A check of diplomatic records establishes that although Japan did discuss the matter of the Amur and Ussuri with Russia, and it did at one point issue a map revealing the likely ambitions of Russian claims, at no point did either France or Japan actually accept the Russian claims and plead no contest to them. The matter was frankly never discussed.

We also support the declaration made by the Xin Han Chinese government. We feel it is in Asia's best interests to be governed by Asians when possible. This point also remains the singular unsettled issue following the Sino-Japanese War, and to ensure lasting peace in Asia, its resolution is required.

 

[Stormbringer]

The Chinese government has already revoked the declaration the Japanese have cited and has accepted Russia's protectorate over Mongolia and Sinkiang. As we have already said, the Russian intervention into the war was by no means "unsolicited" and the protectorate was established based on the will of the people, therefore making it not "illegal."

Whereas there may not have been public acceptance by France or Japan of the Russian protectorate over the regions in question, there was no public protest against this protectorate at the time, and the governments of China, both at the time and currently, have accepted this protectorate.

Therefore, this clause clearly does not belong with the other ones that outline Russian and German violations of international law and aggressive actions by Russia and Germany taken against France and her allies. The Russian protectorate over Mongolia and Sinkiang is in no way related to the conflict between Russia and France and her allies.

 

[Cuivienen]

To: Russia
From: The Hanhua Emperor

You are mistaken - the Xin Han government has never revoked this declaration; rather, it was made after the grudging acceptance of Russian control of the area. We continue to petition for Chinese control of lands that are rightfully Chinese, and would appreciate it if Russia did not belittle our rights.

 

[Symphony D.]

We feel that even if it is not related to the current war, it is still a matter over which we are concerned. We would be willing to exlcude this point from our arguments, however, on the condition the Russian government opens dialogue with Xin Han China over the matter, and would be willing to mediate in discussions on it. We would strongly encourage this action for the sake of peace of the region.

In regards to Points 1 - 3, since we are in agreement, we will tentatively announce the potential of negotiations, though we shall wait for France's response before committing to anything concrete.

 

[Stormbringer]

Does the Hanhua Emperor deny the fact that he had made an agreement with Russia barely a year ago in which he recognized Russian dominance over the areas of Mongolia and Sinkiang and agreed to join Russia in her fight against Japan and France?

Just to refresh the memory of the Emperor we will quote his proposal here and will attach the map that was agreed upon.

"To: Russian Union
From: The Hanhua Emperor

We will join you in your war against the French, not this year, but next year (as we must rebuild our army), if you agree to the cession of the following territory which was formerly Chinese but is currently occupied by the Russian Union. [OOC: Ignore Tibet: I couldn't be bothered to separate it out.]"

 

[Cuivienen]

The Russians rebuffed the agreement, so no agreement was ever made.

 

[Symphony D.]

Nothing was here.

 

[Cuivienen]

Or here. (10)

 

[Wubba360]

To: Egypt
From: Abyssania

We are both enemies of this new Caliph. We respect your authority over Egypt but we should certainly band together to fight back this enemy.

 

[Swissempire]

Stop deleting your posts people. And mongolia did ask for Russian protection, and the Russians did give it to them, forenternity or something like that. I think we should ask the Mongols What THEY want.

And I support either a 10-20 year BT or a new Nes, or reviving ITNEs after and slog through 200 somthing pages of this*sighs*. Anyway, I would remind you I was rallying against France since before the first update. Though that was for IC reasons so SYmph can't yell at me.

 

[Cuivienen]

Stop deleting your posts people. And mongolia did ask for Russian protection, and the Russians did give it to them, forenternity or something like that. I think we should ask the Mongols What THEY want.

This isn't the 21st century, Swiss.

 

[andis-1]

I say that we continue this nes, maybe with BT. We should let other countries have their revanche on france

 

[tommy_toon]

BT or not, it is das' decision. Either way my rebellion will continue to flourish as I have great plans for it

From Commander T of the Southern Alliance
To Imperialists
Revoke your claims on all foreign lands and we shall lay down our arms against you. Choose not it, and we will rain fire and brimstone down upon your forces and shatter the power that you have grown accustomed to.

 

[Grandmaster]

IT or BT, makes little difference to me. My strategy and orders change but little, in either case.

[size=+1]Letter to Julianne-François[/size]​

Chief Julianne-François,

It should now be clear to you the price your people are paying for your own damnable White Devil pride. My mighty warriors have cut a swath through your false kingdom; from the mountains of Kentuckee to the grasslands of the Cherokee country, not a White village stands, nor a cotton plant grows, and everything is devastation. We have laid waste to your villages and your farms, and spilled the blood of many of your subjects. In New Orleans alone my men took several thousand scalps, and nearly as many slaves. The jewel of your demon empire has been burned to the ground -- and the same fate will befall all your other settlements. So long as any White Devil defiles the holy soil of this continent, not the smallest village nor largest city, not a single farm or settlement, will be safe. It will matter not how many of your womanly soldiers you send to fight us; we will vanquish them, as we have vanquished those already sent against us -- those who failed to save your illegitimate spawn at New Orleans. Send more warriors -- send better warriors -- and we will kill them, too, until you have properly learned that the Great Spirit punishes pride, and withdraw every last White Devil from the lands of our fathers.

 

[Cuivienen]

The Sheng of Xin Han​

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Hebei: The northernmost of the sheng, Hebei was the capital region of the Qing Dynasty but is now a backwater of the Xin Han.

Shandong: The northern port region, Shandong is the wealthiest region of Bei, northern China. The port city of Qingdao is the jewel of Shandong.

Yangzi: Centered around the lower reaches of the Chang River, the Yangzi, this sheng marks the old division between northern and southern China. Until recently, it was also the capital region, but is now of importance only in trade. Foreign languages can be heard often here.

Fujian: Centered around Fuzhou, Fujian is the most liberal of the provinces, and the most friendly to foreign nations, whether they be Russia or France. However, the region is also relatively poor outside Fuzhou, and recent programs by the Hanhua Emperor to revive the region have made him much more popular there.

Guangdong: The southernmost sheng of the mainland, Guangdong contains the ports of Guangzhou and Hong Kong as well as the State of Macao, a region administered directly by the Emperor as the Imperial Port Region. Foreign languages are heard most often in Guangdong, but considerable revitalization efforts have essentially eliminated support for republicans here.

Jingxi: Upriver from Yangzi on the Chang lies Jingxi. Jingxi is heavily agricultural, though urbanization efforts around Zhongguojing and Chongqing have reduced the regions reliance on agriculture. Jingxi contains the State of Zhongguojing, which is administered directly by the Emperor as the Imperial Capital Region.

Shaanxi: Shaanxi is the cradle of Chinese civilization, and remains heavily agricultural. Much effort has been put in to reviving the culture of Shaanxi, and artifacts of the ancient Shang dynasty have been unearthed here, proving the perpetual existence of China to doubters.

Ningxia: A large and lightly peopled region of northern China, there is little else to say about Ningxia.

Sichuan: The last of the sheng, Sichuan consists of much of unsettled inland of China, though it also contains the historically important city of Chengdu. It extends to the edge of Tibet.

Hainan: Not large enough to be a formal sheng, Hainan is administrated separately from Guangdong due to cultural sensitivities nonetheless.

Taiwan: The recently reacquired territory of Taiwan is wholly included in a seperate sheng out of consideration for the Japanese and native minorities on the island, although discussion is ongoing on the possibility of merging Taiwan into Fujian as they have much in common. Though it is leased to Japan, the city of Gaoxiong is technically included in the sheng.

 

[Kentharu]

hope this nes continues, i finally have a chance to build

please remember to keep ooc to a minimum to, this thread shouldn't be closed down because of it, please

 

[Capulet]

IT or BT, makes little difference to me. My strategy and orders change but little, in either case.

[size=+1]Letter to Julianne-François[/size]​

Chief Julianne-François,

It should now be clear to you the price your people are paying for your own damnable White Devil pride. My mighty warriors have cut a swath through your false kingdom; from the mountains of Kentuckee to the grasslands of the Cherokee country, not a White village stands, nor a cotton plant grows, and everything is devastation. We have laid waste to your villages and your farms, and spilled the blood of many of your subjects. In New Orleans alone my men took several thousand scalps, and nearly as many slaves. The jewel of your demon empire has been burned to the ground -- and the same fate will befall all your other settlements. So long as any White Devil defiles the holy soil of this continent, not the smallest village nor largest city, not a single farm or settlement, will be safe. It will matter not how many of your womanly soldiers you send to fight us; we will vanquish them, as we have vanquished those already sent against us -- those who failed to save your illegitimate spawn at New Orleans. Send more warriors -- send better warriors -- and we will kill them, too, until you have properly learned that the Great Spirit punishes pride, and withdraw every last White Devil from the lands of our fathers.

A Native American rebellion? That is sweet.

 

[Symphony D.]

THE TREATY OF PUSAN​

The respective governments of the Japanese Empire and the Xin Han Chinese Empire, after much discussion have come to a mutual understanding of what is required for lasting peace in East Asia between both nations. We find that the following agreements shall be satisfactory to the ambitions of both peoples:

I. The Japanese Empire shall cede control of Han Chinese dominated Taiwan to the Xin Han Chinese Empire. In return, the Xin Han Chinese Empire shall pay a sum of not less than the equivalent of 5,000,000 Koku (5EP). The Japanese Empire will also retain authority over a region of 10 miles (16.1 kilometers) in radius from the city of Gaoxiong indefinitely. No further restrictions exist.

II. The Japanese Empire will grant to the Korean Peninsula limited autonomy, and minimize Imperial interference in the operation of government on said peninsula provided the Korean people maintain loyalty to the Emperor of Japan, pay the necessary taxes to maintain law, order, and defense of their territory, permit the recruitment of soldiers from amongst their peoples during wartime, and cooperate and function as an integral part of the Empire as a greater whole.

III. The Japanese Empire and Xin Han Chinese Empire will sign a permanent Defensive Alliance to solidify the conclusions achieved by this treaty and to enforce them in perpetuity.

Signed,

__________________
His Imperial Majesty and Heavenly Sovereign, Momozono Tōhito Tennō, Emperor of the Japanese Empire

__________________
His Imperial Majesty and Son of Heaven, Hanhua Emperor Gengyo Nian, Emperor of the Xin Han Chinese Empire

 

[stalin006]

any kind of peace negotiating is worthless w.out the panda.

anyhow whats wrong with a nes that has a few years of world peace? i want this to continue.