Netflix Original Series "Marco Polo"

I as a rule ignore historical accuracy in film for the most part, unless it's the specific, explicit goal of the film to be historically accurate. Just as with adaptation of literature, certain sacrifices need to be made to accommodate the limitations of the medium, budget, and production cycle.

The Kung Fu stuff, for me, isn't about being historically accurate though. It smacks of orientalism and that doesn't really appeal to me.
 
I thought about watching this but from what I heard about it, it made me think of people flying through the air like in crouching tiger hidden dragon and that just doesn't appeal to me.

And I'm into like the 8th episode, and there hasn't been a single instance of that so far.

The blind guy comes off more like the blind teacher in the tv series of 'Kung Fu' albeit a lot younger and more active. Is it realistic? No...but its not over the top egregious either like 'Crouching Tiger' either.

Personally, I find there is far more political intrigue than action, and that is what keeps it interesting.
 
Sure some of it is a bit much, but who are we to say that a blind monk cannot perform martial arts to that level.......first of all he is a monk, amazingly tuned in to his inner being, and with one sense gone (sight), the other senses improve, so he operates based on improved senses of sound and touch...........I'm certainly not buying it, but it's not that crazy to think he could fight that well.

What I'm trying to say is that none of the fight scenes seemed impossible to me. They were perfectly executed, choreographed moves that were just as visually stunning as they were plausible.

I don't even know what to say.

Have you ever met a blind person in your entire life?

Have you ever been in a fight?

Have you ever studied a martial art? Or at least seen a martial arts competition, and have a basic idea of what the practitioners can and cannot do?

I mean, come on!! The Kung Fu there is every bit as implausible as flying or riding a dragon or casting a fireball. None can happen and are entirely fantastic. The day a blind monk defeats two dozens of professional warriors is the day I'll ride a dragon to work.
 
I don't even know what to say.

Have you ever met a blind person in your entire life?

Have you ever been in a fight?

Have you ever studied a martial art? Or at least seen a martial arts competition, and have a basic idea of what the practitioners can and cannot do?

I mean, come on!! The Kung Fu there is every bit as implausible as flying or riding a dragon or casting a fireball. None can happen and are entirely fantastic. The day a blind monk defeats two dozens of professional warriors is the day I'll ride a dragon to work.

I take it you've never seen this blind man fight? :p


Link to video.
 
I'm going to point out that if Historical Accuracy was a goal, it would probably involve Marco Polo not going to China.
 
I don't even know what to say.

Have you ever met a blind person in your entire life?

Have you ever been in a fight?

Have you ever studied a martial art? Or at least seen a martial arts competition, and have a basic idea of what the practitioners can and cannot do?

I mean, come on!! The Kung Fu there is every bit as implausible as flying or riding a dragon or casting a fireball. None can happen and are entirely fantastic. The day a blind monk defeats two dozens of professional warriors is the day I'll ride a dragon to work.

You know you can be legally blind and still see. Point being, there is a lot of in between of full sight and total blindness. I choose to interpret it as he's 'blind' but not totally blind.

At least it makes it quasi-believable for me. ;)
 
You know you can be legally blind and still see. Point being, there is a lot of in between of full sight and total blindness. I choose to interpret it as he's 'blind' but not totally blind.

At least it makes it quasi-believable for me. ;)

Even if he had full eyesight the stuff he does is still completely ridiculous and cartoonish. Making him blind just puts it on the same level of realism as elves fighting martians.

I'm always shocked at how so many Westerners buy into the whole "Oriental Shaolin Superman" nonsense. Kung Fu is not even a particularly effective fighting style (Kung Fu practitioners always got a massive ass-whooping on MMA competitions and don't even bother to try anymore). But even if it was a super effective fighting style, which it is not, it still wouldn't make you capable of wiping the floor with dozens of heavily armed professional warriors who are stronger than you.
 
I mean, aside from some of the Kung-Fu scenes, what was not accurate about it? (although people did excel at Kung-Fu, maybe not quite to that level, but they did).....People from that time era speaking English? ;), the acting and production, i thought, portrayed the overall feel of the time era to be accurate.

Portraying "the overall feel and time of the era" is not equivalent to being historically accurate.

I'm fairly generous when it comes to fiction and will ignore the usual quibbles that people have about films and shows (you know the amateurish arguments about "plot holes" or "lack of character development"... yawn). I take each work on its merits and what it set out to achieve. I enjoy my share of kungfu films, especially Bruce Lee classics or Master of the Flying Guillotine - I look on them much more kindly than, say, Interstellar, which has other pretenses but fall short of its own ostensible goals (unless that goal was simply to bamboozle audiences and/or make money - but I'm not that cynical).

I even liked Braveheart, as rubbish as it was historically. But I'm under no illusions that I can expect this series to be more accurate than that, even in its depiction of the "feel and time of the era." The whole kungfu and Orientalist flavour of the series does detract from the time and feel of the era, especially because it builds on tropes about the Far East that was constructed for the benefit of Hollywood and its Asian equivalents. In other words, it's what modern audiences like MobBoss enjoys and thinks about Asian culture.

There's a plethora of films and shows that depict the feel of East Asia more accurately, sans kungfu or ridiculous gun fights, even if they do rely on their own tropes (see Infernal Affairs, for example). This is probably not one of them.

I'm always shocked at how so many Westerners buy into the whole "Oriental Shaolin Superman" nonsense. Kung Fu is not even a particularly effective fighting style (Kung Fu practitioners always got a massive ass-whooping on MMA competitions and don't even bother to try anymore). But even if it was a super effective fighting style, which it is not, it still wouldn't make you capable of wiping the floor with dozens of heavily armed professional warriors who are stronger than you.

'Kungfu' is not one thing - that's a modern invention. There are many types of kungfu (which literally just means 'martial art'), like Wing Chun, Jet Kun Do, etc. Some of them are quite effective too.
 
Even if he had full eyesight the stuff he does is still completely ridiculous and cartoonish. Making him blind just puts it on the same level of realism as elves fighting martians.

I'm always shocked at how so many Westerners buy into the whole "Oriental Shaolin Superman" nonsense. Kung Fu is not even a particularly effective fighting style (Kung Fu practitioners always got a massive ass-whooping on MMA competitions and don't even bother to try anymore). But even if it was a super effective fighting style, which it is not, it still wouldn't make you capable of wiping the floor with dozens of heavily armed professional warriors who are stronger than you.

Sigh. Because this is about entertainment, not accurate realism.

Bottom line, I'm watching the series and enjoying it thus far. The complaining about this blind kung fu thing is way out of proportion to how much it occurs in the series anyway. Yes, it happens, but its really a small bit in comparison to all the political intrigue that is constantly ongoing - which is really what the show is about.
 
I don't even know what to say.

Have you ever met a blind person in your entire life?

Have you ever been in a fight?

Have you ever studied a martial art? Or at least seen a martial arts competition, and have a basic idea of what the practitioners can and cannot do?

I mean, come on!! The Kung Fu there is every bit as implausible as flying or riding a dragon or casting a fireball. None can happen and are entirely fantastic. The day a blind monk defeats two dozens of professional warriors is the day I'll ride a dragon to work.


Link to video.
 
I do not know why this show fares so bad with Rotten Tomatoes and many civvers here. Everybody talks about fighting -- what about the dialogues? Every line feels like a quote, overall quality so consistent, which is amazing given the number of writers and directors involved. Series are enjoyable, all the 18+ scenes are well within the standards of European shows. Compare European Borgias with North American one. Which one feels more spectacular? Netflix offers work of fiction, not a historic documentary. Approach to the fight in 13th century Europe more or less brute force, that is the reason contemporary Chinese boys do not study French martial arts, so exaggerated fighting look more aesthetic than exaggerated shoot outs in westerns or many modern movies. Chancellor is a great character, in some ways show portrays him having even more layers than pretty straightforward title character. Consider subtle incestuous themes which are suggested without vulgarity and yet are quite striking... Not a boring show for sure!

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^spoiler tags are your friend with very large pictures.

I saw both Borgia series. Each has its flaws and merits, but overall I enjoyed the Jeremy Irons one better.
 
Jeremy Irons, in my opinion is one of those golden actors who improves everything he touches.
 
Jeremy Irons, in my opinion is one of those golden actors who improves everything he touches.

Yeah, but even he can be in a stinker every so often. Take that Dungeons and Dragons movie for instance.
 
Yeah, but even he can be in a stinker every so often. Take that Dungeons and Dragons movie for instance.

I don't mind bad movies, especially when they are so bad they're good. Christopher Lee was in Howling 2 and I never regretted seeing that :D
 
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