Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

[RFormica]

Argentines 19
Goths 30
Hungarians 28 - 3 = 25 I would be voting for this if it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire or Hungary-Bohemia. But it's just Hungary, and by itself is not that great.
Italians 29
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 7
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9 + 1 = 10 Finland/Prussia, please!
Mughals 28
Philippines 11

 

[Guandao]

Hey, take it easy. I'm just voting my preferences like anyone else.

This is just a game. A forum game about another game. It's not worth getting upset over.

Sorry, The Kingmaker. I meant no harm. I was even joking when I typed those comments. But it would help if you elaborated why you preferred the other Civs more.

Argentines 19
Goths 29+1=30
Hungarians 28
Italians 29
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 7
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 28
Philippines 14-3=11

I'm not a spiteful man. But I am a man of two things. I am a man of my word, and I am a man who hates hubris. My word has been given, hubris has been demonstrated, and so here we are.

This on the other hand, I cannot abide. No explanation for upvoting the Goths or downvoting Philippines. Other than as a response to my "hubris".
I think the extreme support for the Goths is more evidence of Euro-centrism among certain posters. If the Goths invaded China or India, no one would want them in Civ. But somehow invading and "destroying" Rome gives them entry into the "club". In my perspective, that's Huns and Scythians again. If the Goths were added to Civ6, Firaxis will only give them a single leader, so no Visigothic/Ostrogothic alternate leaders. They also didn't found many of their own cities. Is there enough for a City-List? I thought I saw Ravenna (Ostrogothic capital) in the Roman city-list already.

 

[Returning Lurker]

This on the other hand, I cannot abide. No explanation for upvoting the Goths or downvoting Philippines. Other than as a response to my "hubris".
I think the extreme support for the Goths is more evidence of Euro-centrism among certain posters. If the Goths invaded China or India, no one would want them in Civ. But somehow invading and "destroying" Rome gives them entry into the "club". In my perspective, that's Huns and Scythians again. If the Goths were added to Civ6, Firaxis will only give them a single leader, so no Visigothic/Ostrogothic alternate leaders. They also didn't found many of their own cities. Is there enough for a City-List? I thought I saw Ravenna (Ostrogothic capital) in the Roman city-list already.

I've already explained why I downvoted the Philippines in this thread the last time I did it and my reasons haven't changed, so my answer is "same reasons as before". As for why I upvoted the Goths they are the best Barbarian option we have outside of Mongolia and because we are probably going to have another Barbarian civ judging by Firaxis' ever broadening definition of "civilization" and need to push the envelope and since I don't want the Huns again the Goths are, by comparison, a lesser evil. There is an answer.

 

[Xandinho]

Argentines 19 + 1 = 20 I have given my reasons before, among many arguments I have given before: this is the best civ to represent the region since Firaxis will hardly choose some native there.
Goths 30
Hungarians 25
Italians 29
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 7 - 3 = 4 I'm just not very interested in comparison to others on the list.
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 10
Mughals 28
Philippines 11

 

[Kimiimaro]

Argentines 20
Goths 30
Hungarians 25
Italians 29+1=30 - The best choice for me.
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 4
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 10-3=7 - I'm just not interrested in this part of Europe.
Mughals 28
Philippines 11

 

[The Kingmaker]

Argentines 20
Goths 30
Hungarians 25
Italians 30+1=31 The best choice for me as well.
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 4-3=1 I think they could potentially be interesting to play, but I will admit they are more obscure than some other African options. I will give the Philippines a reprieve this time since they do at least have name recognition going in their favor.
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 7
Mughals 28
Philippines 11

 

[Guandao]

Argentines 20
Goths 30
Hungarians 25
Italians 31
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan (1-3)=0 Sad to do this, but someone has to go now
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 7
Mughals 28
Philippines (11+1)=12 As a lover of SE Asian history, I feel compelled to support this. It's doomed regardless.

 

[luigilime]

Argentines 20-3=17 if I put it priority wise this is the last of the list
Goths 30
Hungarians 25
Italians 31+1=32
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 7
Mughals 28
Philippines 12

 

[The Kingmaker]

Italians 31+1=2

I believe you mean 32?

 

[luigilime]

Whoops XD

 

[Amrunril]

Argentines 17
Goths 30
Hungarians 22 (25 - 3) With no one defending this, I'm a little puzzled as to how it got so high in the first place.
Italians 32
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 7
Mughals 28
Philippines 13 (12 + 1) In terms of distinctness from current and past civs, this seems like the option that wins out.

 

[Zaarin]

Argentines 17
Goths 30 -- Guandao asserted that favoring the Goths as horse raiders who destroyed Rome and assimilated its culture is Eurocentric and that no one would support such a thing if it were China, yet the Mongols, horse raiders who conquered China and assimilated its culture, have been in every iteration of Civ. I guess the devs are just Sinocentric.
Hungarians 23 (22 + 1) -- I'll bite. I think Hungary would make an excellent addition to the game. No Uralic-speaking civ has ever been featured before, the Hungarians have a rich cultural heritage, they have interesting leader choices like King Stephen I (a saint) or Coloman the Learned, and both independently and as part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire they were major players in Central European politics. Also they represent another example of horse-raiders-turned-civilization.
Italians 32
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 7
Mughals 28
Philippines 10 (13 - 3) -- I'm not sure I'd call them the least interesting of the remaining options, but I have to concede that if we must have postcolonial nations then Argentina makes sense as the one to have. Whereas I don't really have much interest in seeing the Philippines even as "lesser evil" sort of option.

 

[Roman Citizen]

Argentines 17
Goths 30
Hungarians 23
Italians 32
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 7-3=4 I know either this or the Philippines are the next ones to go. I like the Finns, I think Poland's ability overlap it with Lithuania, but I prefer the Philippines.
Mughals 28
Philippines 10+1=11 The Philippines don't have to be about it's post colonial history it can be about it's pre-colonial history like Indonesia in Civ 5.

 

[Returning Lurker]

Argentines 17
Goths 30
Hungarians 23
Italians 32-3=29
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 4
Mughals 28+1=29
Philippines 11

If I have to choose between another South Asian (of which we have one), another East European/ barbarian civ (of which we have 2 and 1 respectively), and another western/southern European (of which we have 4/5 and 3/4 respectively) then I'm sorry but I'm going to have to go for the less overtly roster bloating options. Believe me, I'm not one of those people who cries "Eurocentrism!!!1!1!!" Every time the roster isn't completely geographically balanced and every time the Chanka are passed up for the French, but even with my very lax inclusion standards I'm sick to death of West and Southern Europe and colonies spawned by Western Europe. And while it's true there are still some people from those regions I want (no Civ is complete for me without the Dutch, and Brazil's snubbing of Portugal's spot still irks me to no end) I will gladly wait a bit for those two if it means a couple other regions can get some much needed love. I want my Ottomans, I want my Inca, and for the sake of not eating my own hands off out of sheer boredom with the current line up I will gladly take Mughals and begrudgingly take Goths before I take another western culture and geographic southerner of Europe.

 

[RFormica]

Argentines 17
Goths 30
Hungarians 23
Italians 29
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 4 + 1 = 5 I'll fight for Prussia until the end!
Mughals 29
Philippines 11 - 3 = 8 Not as interesting as any of the others on the list.

 

[Xandinho]

Argentines 17 + 1 = 18 I'm happy to see this in the top 7, even if it's on the losers list.
Goths 30
Hungarians 23
Italians 29
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 5 - 3 = 2 Finland is far below my priority list, and Lithuania is of little interest to me at the moment. Then I'll have to take this out.
Mughals 29
Philippines 8

 

[God of Kings]

Argentines 18
Goths 30
Hungarians 23 + 1 = 24 Only non-Indo-European-speaking country in the heart of Europe
Italians 29
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED It would be hard for any of these to be independent civs
Mughals 29
Philippines 8

 

[The Kingmaker]

Argentines 18
Goths 30
Hungarians 24
Italians 29+1=30 Continuing my support for Renaissance Italy.
Mughals 29
Philippines 8-3=5 Definitely want to see the other 5 options first at this point.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Argentines 18
Goths 30-3=27 - I feel that they are little bit overrated. I'd rather have any of the remaining options more.
Hungarians 24
Italians 30+1=31 - The best option for me. I hope for the Greek treatment - unified Italian Civ led by two or three city states. As I said, my wishes are: Venice for trade led by Enrico Dandolo, Florence for culture led by Lorenzo de' Medici, and Papal States for religion led by some pope.
Mughals 29
Philippines 5

 

[Guandao]

Argentines 18
Goths (27-3)=24 I don't think its score should be as high as the Italians. They tried to maintain a civilization in two kingdoms, yet succumbed after a few centuries. Their linguistic legacy is not present today. Only classical/or late Roman history buffs would desire them in the game.
Hungarians 24
Italians 31
Mughals 29
Philippines (5+1)=6 A futile last show of support for them.