New discovery - possible extraterrestrial life

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As bizarre as it may seem, the sample jars brimming with cloudy, reddish rainwater in Godfrey Louis's laboratory in southern India may hold, well, aliens.

In April, Louis, a solid-state physicist at Mahatma Gandhi University, published a paper in the prestigious peer-reviewed journal Astrophysics and Space Science in which he hypothesizes that the samples -- water taken from the mysterious blood-colored showers that fell sporadically across Louis's home state of Kerala in the summer of 2001 -- contain microbes from outer space.

Specifically, Louis has isolated strange, thick-walled, red-tinted cell-like structures about 10 microns in size. Stranger still, dozens of his experiments suggest that the particles may lack DNA yet still reproduce plentifully, even in water superheated to nearly 600 degrees Fahrenheit . (The known upper limit for life in water is about 250 degrees Fahrenheit .)

So how to explain them? Louis speculates that the particles could be extraterrestrial bacteria adapted to the harsh conditions of space and that the microbes hitched a ride on a comet or meteorite that later broke apart in the upper atmosphere and mixed with rain clouds above India.

If his theory proves correct, the cells would be the first confirmed evidence of alien life and, as such, could yield tantalizing new clues to the origins of life on Earth.

Last winter, Louis sent some of his samples to astronomer Chandra Wickramasinghe and his colleagues at Cardiff University in Wales, who are now attempting to replicate his experiments; Wickramasinghe expects to publish his initial findings later this year.

Meanwhile, more down-to-earth theories abound. One Indian government investigation conducted in 2001 lays blame for what some have called the "blood rains" on algae.

Other theories have implicated fungal spores, red dust swept up from the Arabian peninsula, even a fine mist of blood cells produced by a meteor striking a high-flying flock of bats.

Louis and his colleagues dismiss all these theories, pointing to the fact that both algae and fungus possess DNA and that blood cells have thin walls and die quickly when exposed to water and air.

More important, they argue, blood cells don't replicate. "We've already got some stunning pictures -- transmission electron micrographs -- of these cells sliced in the middle," Wickramasinghe says. "We see them budding, with little daughter cells inside the big cells."

Louis's theory holds special appeal for Wickramasinghe. A quarter of a century ago, he co-authored the modern theory of panspermia, which posits that bacteria-riddled space rocks seeded life on Earth.

"If it's true that life was introduced by comets four billion years ago," the astronomer says, "one would expect that microorganisms are still injected into our environment from time to time. This could be one of those events."

The next significant step, explains University of Sheffield microbiologist Milton Wainwright, who is part of another British team now studying Louis's samples, is to confirm whether the cells truly lack DNA. So far, one preliminary DNA test has come back positive.

"Life as we know it must contain DNA, or it's not life," he says. "But even if this organism proves to be an anomaly, the absence of DNA wouldn't necessarily mean it's extraterrestrial."

Louis and Wickramasinghe are planning further experiments to test the cells for specific carbon isotopes. If the results fall outside the norms for life on Earth, it would be powerful new evidence for Louis's idea, of which even Louis himself remains skeptical.
Allow me to be somewhat skeptical about these being alien life forms, but this is still a very interesting find. Cells that readily reproduce above 600 degrees, possibly without containing DNA, are an amazing discovery and might change our perspectives on what constitutes life. I hope they make some more interesting finds regarding these specimens.
 
SCIENCE to the MAAAAAAAAAX! Good news.
 
That's too cool...
Can't wait for more news on this.
Still, even if these are not from out of space, it's a new discovery. :)
 
if its just single celled organisms its not a very big deal IMO.

I would like to see multicellular life before i get excited. Even if the possibility for that is almost non-existent.

Couldnt this stuff exist under the ice on europa?
 
Xanikk999 said:
if its just single celled organisms its not a very big deal IMO.

:eek:
IMO, it's a HUGE deal either way. Think about it, IF it is confirmed to be from space, just look at the differences it has compared to living things here on earth.

This just expands the imagination of what's really out there (if it is true)!
 
Civrules said:
:eek:
IMO, it's a HUGE deal either way. Think about it, IF it is confirmed to be from space, just look at the differences it has compared to living things here on earth.

This just expands the imagination of what's really out there (if it is true)!

what he said

i am too stunned for words, if its true:)
 
Civrules said:
:eek:
IMO, it's a HUGE deal either way. Think about it, IF it is confirmed to be from space, just look at the differences it has compared to living things here on earth.

The confirmation can come from the isotopes ratio, if the ratio is different from Earth, then they come from space.

Another interesting experiment could be to let it grow, and see wheter the isotope ratio changes, if the ratio drifts to Earth's one as time goes by, It would be a prove that it is assimilating earth material.

Very interesting, indeed. Maybe we can seed Venus with those thermophyles. but I guess Venus is way too hot, even for them.
 
Civrules said:
:eek:
IMO, it's a HUGE deal either way. Think about it, IF it is confirmed to be from space, just look at the differences it has compared to living things here on earth.

This just expands the imagination of what's really out there (if it is true)!
Even if it's not from outer space, it'd still be a fascinating discovery, particularly if doesn't contain DNA (just think of the implications particles reproducing without DNA would have in biology, especially in the origins of life).
 
Bootstoots said:
Even if it's not from outer space, it'd still be a fascinating discovery, particularly if doesn't contain DNA (just think of the implications particles reproducing without DNA would have in biology, especially in the origins of life).

So, RNA viruses are not alive?
 
Good thread. :wow:

No DNA? Interesting.

I'd like to see the follow-up on this as to if the samples really are of alien origin, how they differ from terrestrial life, etc.
 
Urederra said:
So, RNA viruses are not alive?

I think (and I'm no expert) that the answer to that is no, given that they require a host cell to reproduce. Judging by the article, these apparently do it on their own.

edit: added quote
 
PopSci.com (the site the article originally comes from) has a slightly larger image of this:

redrain_cells_485.jpg


Not that we can make any new discoveries ( :lol: ) but it's still interesting to look at these.

Magnified 500 times.
 
It is debatable, though. My idea of life doesn't include viruses, RNA or DNA based. But life itself tends to make us difficult to write an easy definiton of it.
 
Urederra said:
It is debatable, though. My idea of life doesn't include viruses, RNA or DNA based. But life itself tends to make us difficult to write an easy definiton of it.

IMO the transition from non-life to life is continuous - there is no discrete boundary which divides life from non-life.
 
I should get a champagne bottle just in case this is alien life.

In which case, I will raise the roof!
 
Honestly I am with Perf, but I hope to God that it isn't. That way I cdan rub it in my step moms face as proof that their is life outside of Earth, and then ask her to explain where it all fits in to Genesis. Maybe then I wouldnt have to deal with all the Church going Jesus loving horse **** at my house. But even if it was extraterestrial, she would proably go to her favorite christian site and find a entirely made up off the top of their head argument on the subject. God bless Arogance, it is his only well being.
 
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