New DLC: Polynesia

[Morningcalm]

Agreed the Maori Warrior needs a combat boost. The -10% combat for others is nice, but will hardly turn the tide against even regular barbarians. If the Maori were more fearsome early game (ala spearmen, jaguar warriors), they'd be worth the trouble of producing.

c.) The implementation of Maori Warriors, under the LH of a Hawaiian King offends a lot of my friends whom are Maori themselves.

I understand the ire of your Maori friends who don't like being under a Hawaiian king, but the way I see it, Kamekamehe was just the most internationally known Polynesian monarch, and the Maori aren't serving him so much as they are serving "greater Polynesia" which has, of course, the New Zealand name "Aotearoa" as a city name, as well as Tonga, Samoa, etc.

Also, just curious, what specific nation of greater Polynesia are you from, NubianMercenary?

 

[MqsTout]

Regarding the price and slow release of DLC, I prefer it this way. It gives us something to spice the game up every couple of months, and I don't mind paying 3-5$ periodically to keep the game interesting and fresh. It's better than waiting a year for an expansion pack at ~$30. Keep them coming.

Well, (a) that's where you're wrong and (b) DLC is only around because the publishers get to squeeze more money out of the customer for less content because of people who think like that.

 

[awesome]

on a different note, i'm thinking that rfc for civ 5 will probably be using polynesia for its natives in australia, etc like it used zulu in africa in civ 4. hopefully, zulu also comes out, but there are already threads for that.

 

[Valkrionn]

Well, (a) that's where you're wrong and (b) DLC is only around because the publishers get to squeeze more money out of the customer for less content because of people who think like that.

Please, continue spouting opinionated nonsense on subjects that you know very little about.

 

[Pouakai]

Agreed the Maori Warrior needs a combat boost. The -10% combat for others is nice, but will hardly turn the tide against even regular barbarians. If the Maori were more fearsome early game (ala spearmen, jaguar warriors), they'd be worth the trouble of producing.


I understand the ire of your Maori friends who don't like being under a Hawaiian king, but the way I see it, Kamekamehe was just the most internationally known Polynesian monarch, and the Maori aren't serving him so much as they are serving "greater Polynesia" which has, of course, the New Zealand name "Aotearoa" as a city name, as well as Tonga, Samoa, etc.

Also, just curious, what specific nation of greater Polynesia are you from, NubianMercenary?

You mentioned the city names - I hate them myself, and would rather have names of cities / settlements on the islands instead of the islands themselves. Apia instead of Samoa, Poneke instead of Aotearoa, that sort of thing.

Well, (a) that's where you're wrong and (b) DLC is only around because the publishers get to squeeze more money out of the customer for less content because of people who think like that.

I love how one of your points is essentially 'You're wrong

 

[NubianMercenary]

Yes, they were never united. However, that sort of portrayal existed for a long time amongst the Celts (who were honestly even more fractured, at their widest extant), and there are broad similarities from one Polynesian culture to the next.

Honing in on one is difficult... At least partially due to a lack of city names. Don't want to make those up, IMO, as that would also upset people. They opted to hone in on three; Hawaii, New Zealand, Rapa Nui. Which, typically, would be the three most thought of by Americans.

Do you mean the actual stats of the unit, or the fact that it's under a Hawaiian king?

The fact that it's under a Hawaiian King, they were like: "WTH, our ancestors were never under Hawaiian patronage" :/ lol.

 

[Valkrionn]

The fact that it's under a Hawaiian King, they were like: "WTH, our ancestors were never under Hawaiian patronage" :/ lol.

Wanted to make sure that was it.

Yes, that's very true... But they attempted to portray all Polynesians as one civ. It's not so much that they have them under the Hawaiians, as it is they lend themselves better to a UU, than to a leader.

At least, Kamehameha is the most well known Polynesian leader, generally speaking.

 

[NubianMercenary]

I would love to hear you elaborate on (c). I live in New England, so it's a viewpoint I'm rarely exposed to.

I'm also offended by the implementation of the Maori Warrior, but only because it's so mechanically boring... total waste of a UU. Their UA and UI are both game-changers, so it works on a whole, but the UU... bleh.

Well, it is stated in ancient Oral History that the Hawaiians are descendants from my people - the Samoans. My Maori mates thought it patronizing that their heritage, personified through the Maori Toa Warrior is somehow belittled by having them exist as UU under a Hawaiian LH.

Maori, along with Samoans, Tongans etc... recognize themselves as Samoans, Tongans, Maori first; and Polynesians second.

 

[NubianMercenary]

I agree with you in a way. But hey, I'm not complaining that it's offending/silly/stupid that they didn't split the Iroquois into all the different tribes since I'm partly Mingo Iroquois.
I'm just happy the Iroquois where even included.

I agree,

It is better to have our culture portrayed a tad incorrectly rather than to have it not portrayed at all. Besides, the "incorrectness" is only minor and I am just grateful that the Civ craftsman are putting more thought into giving us little baby Civs a chance to shine in the game .

 

[NubianMercenary]

Agreed the Maori Warrior needs a combat boost. The -10% combat for others is nice, but will hardly turn the tide against even regular barbarians. If the Maori were more fearsome early game (ala spearmen, jaguar warriors), they'd be worth the trouble of producing.


I understand the ire of your Maori friends who don't like being under a Hawaiian king, but the way I see it, Kamekamehe was just the most internationally known Polynesian monarch, and the Maori aren't serving him so much as they are serving "greater Polynesia" which has, of course, the New Zealand name "Aotearoa" as a city name, as well as Tonga, Samoa, etc.

Also, just curious, what specific nation of greater Polynesia are you from, NubianMercenary?

Agreed,

But many of us here back home believe that the only reason Kamehameha has international recognition is because Hawaii is under U.S. governance and therefore Hawaiin historical figures i.e. Kamehameha has just been given more attention rather than famous figures in Polynesian ancient history such as Tui Manu'a etc...

Oh I'm Samoan, in which I am a Chief, I hold a paramount Matai Title. Meh, gives extra cause for me to love my culture hehe xD.

 

[NubianMercenary]

Wanted to make sure that was it.

Yes, that's very true... But they attempted to portray all Polynesians as one civ. It's not so much that they have them under the Hawaiians, as it is they lend themselves better to a UU, than to a leader.

At least, Kamehameha is the most well known Polynesian leader, generally speaking.

Agreed !

 

[Louis XXIV]

Agreed,

But many of us here back home believe that the only reason Kamehameha has international recognition is because Hawaii is under U.S. governance and therefore Hawaiin historical figures i.e. Kamehameha has just been given more attention rather than famous figures in Polynesian ancient history such as Tui Manu'a etc...

While the connection to US history is certainly a factor, Kamahameha does have some international fame (as evidenced, weirdly enough, by Dragonball Z). I think it has more to do with modernity and an internationally recognized government (with a written constitution) than simply being a US state. In the end, the game is sold in the United States to a primarily (although certainly not exclusively) American audience. Name recognition over here is certainly at least some factor.

 

[Valkrionn]

What Louis said. I think it's more the fact that his empire was relatively modern, and therefore well known in the western world, than that Hawaii was made a state.

 

[Pouakai]

Hopefully a future Polynesian leaderhead is Maori then!

 

[Louis XXIV]

I personally suggest Tongan, but I realize opinions will differ.

 

[Bigrusst]

Why Polynesia? Are you kidding, ever been there? I would much rather rule the world from, say Fiji than from Moscow or Ulaan Batoor!

 

[Revoran]

Polynesians are more of an ethnic group that settled a large number of islands in the pacific rather than a unified empire but hey whatever. I'm still holding out for an Indonesia/Majapahit empire. Polynesia is cool though cause we've never had them before.

 

[Mustakrakish]

But hey, I'm not complaining that it's offending/silly/stupid that they didn't split the Iroquois into all the different tribes since I'm partly Mingo Iroquois.

How did that happen?

 

[Michl2602]

Why Polynesia? Are you kidding, ever been there? I would much rather rule the world from, say Fiji than from Moscow or Ulaan Batoor!

Not sure whether I'd continue ruling the world if i were there. Probably I'd just look for something to smoke and hang around.

To say something on topic: The Polynesian implementation is already quite good. It's just a pity that it's uniqueness is much better implemented in the szenario than if you play a regular game with them. Techs like ritual dancing, aquaeconomics aso., that are really unique should also somehow be in the science tree of their regular game.

 

[aatami]

How did that happen?

What?