New Expansion Speculation Thread

[SammyKhalifa]

When did Joan of Arc rule again?

 

[Zdarg]

I will tell you a secret.
Wagarowaliśmy na rosyjskim.
you can google translate it if you want

Too lazy.
It probably means "I know Russian, but I pretend I don't, to annoy you occupants"?

 

[bbbt]

Maybe as part of the release w/ the Hungarian leader they are translating the whole game into Hungarian. Which would take a lot of translators and thus create more exposure to leaks. Remember it was a Chinese translator that leaked some good info for Rise and Fall.

There's always possibilities (maybe they've got some giant sheet of lines in English they just mailed to all the leader translators). They certainly didn't translate the game in conjunction with any other leaders (it's only available in 12 languages). The Chinese translator leak is part of my skeptism - it reads to me like a Civ fan who follows all the leaks using that to make it seem more 'realistic'. We'll find out in few months though!

I live in the Czech Republic, a country of people with a similar fate, and very few people who play computer games know German or Russian better than English.

I worked as an English teacher abroad for a while, and it was amusing to have kids who might have relatively basic English but then know a bunch of more 'obscure' vocab courtesy of a game they played (and wasn't available in English for them). Minecraft was a good one for that - i.e. past simple is still a struggle but knows words like 'flint' and 'anvil'.

 

[Giskler]

Well, we'll know for sure one way or the other if one of the obscure picks shows up in a first look.

 

[durfal]

Someone on reddit claiming to be a Hungarian translator is saying that the Vesuvius Leaders are as follows: Mansa Musa, Arpad, Simon Bolivar, Atahualpa, Tāwhiao, Roxelana, Arawrahta, Midgegooroo, Eleanor.

If true then the new Civilizations would breakdown like this:

Mali - Mansa Musa
Hungary - Arpad
Colombia - Simon Bolivar
Inca - Atahualpa
Maori - Tāwhiao
Ottomans -Roxelana
Burma - Anawrahta
Noongar - Midgegooroo
England or France - Eleanor

First thing I thought was it's bogus because there isn't a Hungarian language version of the game and never has been, but secondly it could be just translations for the leaders spoken text.
Though how would (s)he know about the other leaders in the game then. Furthermore there wasn't made a full Dutch translation of the game either when the Netherlands came with R&F and there are at least twice as much Dutch speakers as there are Hungarian ones, and neither is there an Arabic, Greek or Norwegian version for the languages games are translated in, from the in game civs at least (don't think they need a Nahuatl, Mongol, Persian, Cree, Mapuche or Zulu version).
But I must say if it's a hoax it's a good one, cause I would never have come up with Midgegooroo or Anawrahta, all the others I have at least seen before here.

If it's true I would be okay with the civs. Colombia is not my first choice but Simon Bolivar is okay and I never would have thought they bring an Australian Aboriginal civ.
Though I feel Roxelana and Eleonor are really left field leaders for there civs as there are many, many better choices before them. Especially if they are the only female leaders in this expansion. And we still don't even know which civ Eleonor is supposed to lead: England, France or Aquitaine (though the last one would really be the most surprising).
But nothing from North America speaks against it being true in my opinion. No Portugal, Babylon, Carthage, Byzantium or Maya though is speaking in favor for people who think there will be a third expansion.

But I guess we'll know when the first civs are announced and about the suing of a certain Hungarian translator by Firaxis .

 

[kryat]

The list seems plausible, but moderately unlikely. It does fit fairly well inline with VI’s convention of going for less well known or represented civs and leaders. What makes me think this is likely is the fact that many of these are fairly obscure picks that someone would have needed to go to a lot of effort to come up with the list. I mean, who knew about Roxelana before today?

 

[AmazonQueen]

The list seems plausible, but moderately unlikely. It does fit fairly well inline with VI’s convention of going for less well known or represented civs and leaders. What makes me think this is likely is the fact that many of these are fairly obscure picks that someone would have needed to go to a lot of effort to come up with the list. I mean, who knew about Roxelana before today?

If you know your Ottoman history the concubine of Suleiman who got her incompetent son Selim the Sot the succession is quite prominent.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

If this leak is real (hopefully not), I just like to imagine how conflicted feelings will have the people who hate female leaders but want Ottoman Empire at the same time

This was my second thought: all those people on Reddit clamoring for their Ottomans - does Firaxis have a surprise in store for them! Giving both the Koreans and the Turks a female leader is … an interesting choice.

My first thought was yes, this looks like a plausible list. Inca and Ottomans for big name appeal (less so Mali), a few new names that some people have been asking for for a while (Columbia and Hungary and Burma), a blob civ replaced by a more focused civ (Maori), an alternate leader that fits my previous musings about what civilizations they would go for (having a single alternate for both England and France is brilliant), and a new name that fills in a new part of the globe (Noongar).

My third thought was whether this changes up Firaxis' approach to communications in future releases? First the existence of the pending expansion came out through a leak versus through marketing (unless you subscribe to the theory that the leak was an inside job). Now the civ and leader list also came out through a leak (not sure why we're not hearing arguments yet that this is also an inside job, so that Firaxis can gauge reactions to these leaders before making a final decision?)

 

[SelmanV]

I really hope this list is not real. All of these amazing, charismatic Ottoman rulers to pick, Bayezid the Thunderbolt (cool name), Mehmed the Conqueror, Selim the Grim, Suleiman the Magnificent of course, even Osman himself, but to just pick Roxelana because she is a woman would be very disappointing. Especially considering Turks are very partiotic/nationalist/proud of their history. I imagine they would be a lot more mad than the Koreans were with Seondook. A bit of a shame.

Also I wouldn't exactly consider the Noongar a civilisation. There are a lot more people more important than them; Babylonians, Byzantines, Portugese, and someone I'd love to see, especially considering this was supposed to be a game about big characters, I would love to see Timur, one of the greatest conquerors in human history, and someone who is often overlooked. Not to mention Napoleon.

 

[Xandinho]

I think the "leak" is more likely to be fake than real, the lack of a North American civ is a big flagrant, while we would have two from Oceania, it seems very unlikely. But I particularly like some of those choices. Incas, Ottomans (though not led by Roxelana) and Mali led by Mansa Musa are some of my greatest desires at the moment. Burma and Hungary would also be cool additions. Simon Bolivar seems to be one of those leaders that Firaxis is looking for, so I would not be surprised to see him. Noongar is the most unlikely on the list. And please, no Eleanor.

 

[kaspergm]

The list seems plausible, but moderately unlikely. It does fit fairly well inline with VI’s convention of going for less well known or represented civs and leaders. What makes me think this is likely is the fact that many of these are fairly obscure picks that someone would have needed to go to a lot of effort to come up with the list. I mean, who knew about Roxelana before today?

I agree, it definitely seems possible given their track record of picks so far with the game. Whether it's true or not, one can only guess. If it's true, I'll be very saddened by no Maya.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

I agree, it definitely seems possible given their track record of picks so far with the game. Whether it's true or not, one can only guess. If it's true, I'll be very saddened by no Maya.

Actually that list if real would make me feel that it's even more likely that we'd see more content, after what is after all still a theoretical and rumored Next Expansion.

 

[WillowBrook]

It's not a list I ever would have come up with. And I can't figure out if the more obscure choices make the list more likely to be real or less likely.

If it is real, I will be looking forward to seeing what they've done with them, game-wise.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Okay, whoa hang on.

First of all "Hungarian translator" what is that supposed to mean? Civ 6 isn't going to be released in Hungarian (it doesn't even exist in Polish and I'm not sure if it exists in Korean either- to name two of the biggest non-English fan bases). Even if it's some dude hired by firaxis to write some lines in Hungarian for a Hungarian leader (or so he claims) he shouldn't know who the other leaders are (or break his NDA clause for that matter).

Second of all, some of these choices aren't realistic, like at all. The inclusion of Noongar on this "spoiled" list is very dicey. We already have Australia AND Maori (as per the first leak) and besides, isn't speaking the names of the deceased a massive taboo in aboriginal culture? The elders can't be pleased if a dead chief is repped in a video game, and I doubt Firaxis would go there again after Creegate.

Third of all... Some of these "realistic" choices, holy crap. Everyone's crapping their panties about Roxelana, who is a weird pick for Ottomans but the real baffling choice is ATAHUALPA???? Um, what the hell??? Roxelana held a lot of power during her lifetime as Sully's concubine and getting her brood on the throne after his death. She was undoubtably a very politcally savvy individual. Atahualpa otoh was... kind of not politically savvy. At all. To put it mildly. But he technically ruled the Inca, so let's just ignore him because he's male.

That said I am secretly hoping this list is real mostly because thr sounds of howling meltdowns that will drown out the "Roxelana leads the Ottomans in Sid Meier's Civilization VI: Vesuvius" Sarrahtion will like a clarion of justice thundering over this hellscape. Already stanning it <3

I do like some of the list though. I mean, Assyrians and Mayans getting shafted (AGAIN) is woeful, but I had no good expectations so WHATEVER, but Hungary and Burma are cool additions at least. Yay for Mali as well. Arpad, Bolivar and Anawratha are all good choices for the civs they rep.

Just so this post isn't JUST idle spec, I've decided to run a facial check on the spoiled Poly leader to chief Tawhiao:

There's definitely some resemblance (nose, facial structure, earrings, cloak) so maybe...?

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Too lazy.
It probably means "I know Russian, but I pretend I don't, to annoy you occupants"?

I am afraid you highly overrate this factor. We just had no interest in learning Russian.
If we want to say something to temporary occupants we just chase them away Just like you Russians did it with us in 1612 don't you?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Aspyr says they wish to have Linux caught up with PC and Mac by Christmas, even if they have to stop supporting the chipsets that are causing them grief.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

First of all "Hungarian translator" what is that supposed to mean? Civ 6 isn't going to be released in Hungarian (it doesn't even exist in Polish and I'm not sure if it exists in Korean either- to name two of the biggest non-English fan bases).

It does exist in Polish believe me
Besides, he said, "I am Hungarian working as a translator." It doesn't mean he is translating the game to Hungarian. I am far from saying this leak is true, but let's be accurate.

 

[Haig]

If the list is true I have a feeling we get three expansions this time (for Portugal etc.)


Personally I feel the list is real, I mean some of the leaders give immediate ideas for an Unique Ability and possible new mechanics:

Like if there is some climate mechanic, the Noongars were(according to wikipedia) expert in surviving dry climate and hostile land.
If we get some erosion/dry season mechanic from too much chopping they could thrive in barren wastelands.

Roxelana was a supreme schemer so she would definately get some espionage bonuses.

Simon Bolivar and Atahualpha: instability, civil war, loyalty?

Anawratha turned dry lands into lush farming area

etc.

 

[kryat]

If you know your Ottoman history the concubine of Suleiman who got her incompetent son Selim the Sot the succession is quite prominent.

I don’t know Ottoman history in detail, so my example could be poor. The larger point is that someone had to research thoroughly enough into each of these plausible civs to find leader candidates who roughly fit what Firaxis has been using as their criteria throughout VI’s development. If it’s a fake list, it’s a very plausible one, not something you’d see a random troll post.

 

[Weraptor]

Very interested in Hungary as a civ and Arpad as its leader. What would their bonuses be?