New Expansion Speculation Thread

[marius_kaparius]

I would personally take more issue with Eleanor myself, since she did not rule in her own right. And Kupe, who is mythological. So they sit nicely next to Gandhi, Catherine, and possibly Gilgamesh for me in the dislike pile.

These head of state and other rules seem so arbitrary and I don't see why they should matter to a video game produced in the modern era. It's not like we are arguing rules of succession here. I just want to state for the record that I'm fine with a Civilization's leader not being the head of state and I'm fine with mythological leaders too. Ultimately what I care about is the quality of the presentation and the wrinkles that it adds to the gameplay. I could see a point being made that once someone is chosen they are presented accurately given the information known. Cyrus for example doesn't get a fully fare shake but I think Eleanor as a leader of two Civs is a really fun idea. Why not go for that fun idea because of some self-imposed restriction?

 

[SammyKhalifa]

I understand why people don't want Canada in, but I also know that a LOT of people "out there" have been asking for them.

So either we want the developers to listen to the fans or we don't.

 

[DeepKing]

Climate change/global warming/pollution meter?

I think that’s the way they are going to go. Like R&F’s Era Score maybe there will be a ‘Impact Score’ to keep mind of too. Gets too high disasters.

 

[kryat]

I think it could be interesting if climate change was related to a global score. Not only do you need to behave yourself or avoid disaster, but you may need to manage someone else on the map as well, whether by diplomacy or by force.

 

[Proclo]

2 possibilities:
1) Maybe the expansion will have a climate change mechanic in the late game. That would be something that the player could have some control over. They could refrain from building stuff that increases the climate change meter and they could build new stuff (like solar plants) that grant you energy or production without increasing the climate change meter. But if the player allows the climate change meter to increase too much then they will face random events such as hurricanes that hit coastal cities or tornadoes or even grassland tiles changing to desert tiles.
2) The storm in the livestream could have nothing to do with natural disasters or climate change and could just be a reference to the fact that "storm" is in the expansion title. Maybe the expansion title is "Gathering Storm". I saw this idea on Reddit and makes sense.

1) I don't see this climate change final mechanic working without a World Congress that will impose penalties to those Civs that keep polluting, since climate change is something global.
2) No way. Having us wathing this stream for 24h and not having a climate change/natural-mankind disaster mechanic will be a big disappointment. They would certainly piss me off.

 

[DeepKing]

I think it could be interesting if climate change was related to a global score. Not only do you need to behave yourself or avoid disaster, but you may need to manage someone else on the map as well, whether by diplomacy or by force.

I think that’s where Emergencies will be further broadened. Attack this polluter, fix this allies land etc

 

[Chirthorpe]

These head of state and other rules seem so arbitrary and I don't see why they should matter to a video game produced in the modern era. It's not like we are arguing rules of succession here. I just want to state for the record that I'm fine with a Civilization's leader not being the head of state and I'm fine with mythological leaders too. Ultimately what I care about is the quality of the presentation and the wrinkles that it adds to the gameplay. I could see a point being made that once someone is chosen they are presented accurately given the information known. Cyrus for example doesn't get a fully fare shake but I think Eleanor as a leader of two Civs is a really fun idea. Why not go for that fun idea because of some self-imposed restriction?

We have to have some standard or else there's no point in the game being "Civilization". If we abandon all standards England could be led by Joe BillieBob of Wessex. Playing as historic rulers is one of the main things that distinguishes Civ from its rivals and poor official leader choices is just not a good strategy. People like Eleanor (and, I daresay, even Gandhi) should be relegated to the realm of modders while the more successful, liked, celebrated and/or famous rulers (like Elizabeth I) take the official spots.

I don't even like Victoria being representative of England in VI, and that's purely because she wasn't Queen of England (but rather the UK) and they made it even worse by adding Scotland xD

As for Eleanor being a fun idea due to the two-civs thing - she's not the only woman in history to have ties to two nations. There's quite a few. William the Conquerer for example works for both France and England, with his French role being about as applicable as Victoria for England.

 

[Benzombie]

Countdown has officially begun Ladies and Gentlemen.

 

[L4Psha]

4 HOURS!

 

[Arianrhod]

At least this new leak has better civilizations; it's too bad I can't say the same about its leaders.

 

[Proclo]

I think Eleanor as a leader of two Civs is a really fun idea. Why not go for that fun idea because of some self-imposed restriction?

I don't know her story very well but I can think about a leader for multiple civs more recognizable than her. Charles the V for example.

 

[darkace77450]

I understand why people don't want Canada in, but I also know that a LOT of people "out there" have been asking for them.

How many of them live outside Canada's borders?

I think that’s where Emergencies will be further broadened. Attack this polluter, fix this allies land etc

Please, no more "attack this Civ" emergencies. They're banal. Doubly so considering how poorly the AI handles combat.

 

[DeepKing]

At least this new leak has better civilizations; it's too bad I can't say the same about its leaders.

I wonder if Sueliemon will go on about his belly or if Dido will have the forehead of ages again.

 

[DWilson]

Is 4 hours more over 24 hours total?

 

[Giskler]

Emergencies could be a lot more interesting with natural disasters. You could get prompted to participate in an international aid/relief operation for the affected nation.

 

[Xandinho]

>new civs are Sweden (Kristina), Hungary (Matthias Corvinus), Inca (Pachacuti) , Ottomans (Suleiman), Mali (Mansa Musa), Maori (Kupe), Phoenicia (Dido), Canada (Laurier) + alt leader Eleanor (Fra/Eng)
>climate change and natural disasters are in
>3 new future era government types Corporate Libertarianism (Domination) Digital Democracy (Cultural) Technocracy (Science)
>World Congress, new diplo options
>Electricity and dams, cities require power which affects productivity
>strategic resources are overhauled somehow
>new wonders/natural wonders
>posted images in pic related

Source:
http://boards.*****.org/v/thread/439772520

I prefer this list of civs than the one of the Hungarian translator. The Incas and Ottomans are led by better leaders. And I'd rather have Sweden or Phenicia than Noongar. And nothing against Burma, but I think a third Southeast Asian civ could wait until a third expansion. I am indifferent to Canada, but I still preferred a former Spanish colony. Eleanor leading France or England is still disturbing.

 

[leandrombraz]

2 possibilities:
1) Maybe the expansion will have a climate change mechanic in the late game. That would be something that the player could have some control over. They could refrain from building stuff that increases the climate change meter and they could build new stuff (like solar plants) that grant you energy or production without increasing the climate change meter. But if the player allows the climate change meter to increase too much then they will face random events such as hurricanes that hit coastal cities or tornadoes or even grassland tiles changing to desert tiles.
2) The storm in the livestream could have nothing to do with natural disasters or climate change and could just be a reference to the fact that "storm" is in the expansion title. Maybe the expansion title is "Gathering Storm". I saw this idea on Reddit and makes sense.

It seems that the name is Gathering Storm and this might not mean a literal storm but I'm more inclined to believe it is, since we already got an expansion that is about falling, things going badly in your empire, which is pretty close to a gathering storm that isn't literal. If the gathering storm isn't about a literal storm, then it's another title referencing things going badly, a hard time, a war building up, an economical crisis or whatever. I just feel that they would try to go in a different direction, it seems too close to the fall of the last expansion. Anyway, it might mean both. We might have a gathering storm in the sense of trouble building up, with some mechanic that reflect that AND a literal storm at the same time.

 

[blackcatatonic]

Is 4 hours more over 24 hours total?

24 hours from the start of the stream? Yes, I believe so.

 

[Arianrhod]

I don't know her story very well but I can think about a leader for multiple civs more recognizable than her. Charles the V for example.

Or, you know, Victoria.

 

[Cerilis]

Is 4 hours more over 24 hours total?

No, its exactly 24 hours. ^^