New film version of Dune to be made :)

[Birdjaguar]

Which version did you watch, the 2+ hour theatrical version or the 3hr extended cut (that might have been done by fans) ? I watched the 3hr version on youtube recently and it seemed pretty good, better than what I remembered the movie to be.. so I assume it's because the extended cut is put together better.. but maybe I'm just misremembering what the movie was like when I first watched it. I am pretty sure it's better though, or at least closer to the book

I watched the 2+ hour version. The movie just jumped from key event to key event and tried to connect them with a bit of narration. Awful storytelling.

As for the tech. Its depiction was terrible. The setting is what, 10,000 years in the future? Lynch could have done a better job of creating sets and costuming. The uniforms of the special Empire troops were hilarious. Overall pretty disappointing.

 

[Kyriakos]

I think the 3+ hour version of Lynch's film was ok. I liked a few parts. At least it had some soul.
The new movie may be more for people who have read the book. Personally I wasn't enthusiastic, despite how good the machines looked (ornithopter etc).
I also doubt I'd have gotten much substance in the plot if I hadn't already watched Lynch and the tv series.

 

[warpus]

I watched the 2+ hour version. The movie just jumped from key event to key event and tried to connect them with a bit of narration. Awful storytelling.

As for the tech. Its depiction was terrible. The setting is what, 10,000 years in the future? Lynch could have done a better job of creating sets and costuming. The uniforms of the special Empire troops were hilarious. Overall pretty disappointing.

20,000 years in the future actually. For whatever reason the (new) movie subverts the audience a bit by showing that the movie takes place in the year 10,191. It's not 10,191 CE though, it's 10,191 AG (after guild), i.e. 10 thousand years after the spacing guild was formed, not 10 thousand years after some guy in sandals got nailed to a cross

The worst part of the Lynch movie were the "weirding modules".. and of course the comical looking shields. The costumes and all that, I didn't mind them personally

 

[Broken_Erika]

I believe Lynch created the "weirding modules" to keep the movie from becoming "Kung-Fu on the sand dunes" or something.

 

[aelf]

This is a bit of a fine line. Any sort of digital system that is built to process data using algorithms and computations, etc. would be illegal. But a simple device that receives a signal and activates some thing digitally would be fine. So you can have a spaceship with buttons that activate engines and perform other tasks, but you can't have an on-board computer that calculates trajectories for you.

The Ixians walk this line in a very fine fashion

That's an interesting question. Without code, to what extent are digital systems possible? And is there code without computation?

 

[warpus]

That's an interesting question. Without code, to what extent are digital systems possible? And is there code without computation?

As with any religious commandment, there is enough vagueness there for interpretation. The way most of human society seems to have embraced these regulations is to allow.. let's say a simple device that takes you pressing a button and opens the doors or lowers the loading bay doors, or whatever. But if you need to process data in some way and compute it, then they don't do that and rely on Mentants for tasks like that.

So it's not really that you can't have 'code'. Simple logic gates are probably okay.

 

[aelf]

I just Googled and apparently people today do associate logic gates with computation and calculation so

Maybe Herbert just wasn't too familiar with this area.

 

[r16]

soul and spirit of the times . Which needs to be respected or something years after . Has anyone seen pictures of Jane Fonda as Barbarella ? Spectacular weapons she has ... People say 1965 , Herbert was defined as a guy who didn't know anything about computers in some other website ı saw , stuff stuff ... Had doing drugs become fashionable in that exact period ? Where they did things with slide rules and pencils in contact with paper but mostly brains and like nobody will ever manage to replace the B-52 , just saying ...

 

[warpus]

I just Googled and apparently people today do associate logic gates with computation and calculation so

Maybe Herbert just wasn't too familiar with this area.

They are associated with those things because logic gates are the foundation that silicon chips and computers are built on.

The commandment is to not create a machine in the likeness of a human. Not "don't compute anything using a machine". That's simply where the line ended up being drawn - simple electronic devices are okay, but as soon as you need to build something to process data in bulk, you don't go there. So.. "Press this button and it will make you toast" or "press this button and the engines start" or "press this button and talk to your security chief" is okay, but "Build a machine that can analyze the soil samples and report on its composition" is out.

 

[Birdjaguar]

soul and spirit of the times . Which needs to be respected or something years after . Has anyone seen pictures of Jane Fonda as Barbarella ? Spectacular weapons she has ... People say 1965 , Herbert was defined as a guy who didn't know anything about computers in some other website ı saw , stuff stuff ... Had doing drugs become fashionable in that exact period ? Where they did things with slide rules and pencils in contact with paper but mostly brains and like nobody will ever manage to replace the B-52 , just saying ...

Dune was written in 1963-64 and published as a serial first then a book in 1965. Drug use didn't hit mainstream America until late 1966 and 1967.

In 1964 IBM introduced its 360 model main frame and the first use of integrated circuits rather than individual transistors. American Airlines introduced the world's first computerized reservation system. Businesses were converting main frame computers which were getting small enough to fit into normal sized rooms. The 1964 World's Fair in NYC had a whole building dedicated to the new Information Age. In 1964 most folks thought of computers like we think of super AI now: "Sounds pretty cool I wonder what it will really be like? Let's make up stuff and pretend we know."

"Thomas Kurtz and John Kemeny create BASIC (Beginner’s All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code), an easy-to-learn programming language, for their students at Dartmouth College who had no prior programming experience."

Barbarella was a great movie!

 

[Bugfatty300]

"Diet pills" were definitely a thing in his time.

 

[Kyriakos]

"Diet pills" were definitely a thing in his time.

Welcome back

 

[r16]

it must be even 1980s and young r16 might or might not have heard a famous film would be on TV . Or maybe it was a chance encounter ... Anyhow , some dark night thing . Guards escorting some box , but where are its wheels ? Medieval sorcery ? Is it a steam era stuff ? Considering the king or whatever he is . And his attire ... Uh , what the hell is that ?

with such a brain , why would anyone need an Al ?