New party drug to blame for scrotum removal antics?

[BCLG100]

Good to see an opinion from someone who's tried it. True about MDMA, it seems like a very benign drug.

I'm not sure if MDMA is 'benign' it is a drug which can be quite easily combined with other substances- such as ket and that's where part of the problem lies. Whilst ket, weed, lsd etc is manageable it's the other substances which sometimes find themselves into it which can be disasterous and lead to OD's. However, this is a problem with most drugs which may not be such a problem if legalised and health and safety get on the case!

 

[Shekwan]

Yeah I agree there.

Although that doesn't make the drug in itself dangerous. I mean soapbar hash is very common and can have crap like petrol and washing up liquid in it but that doesn't mean that cannabis isn't benign. The fact its easily diluted and made dangerous is just more reason to legalise MDMA.

 

[BCLG100]

Well yeah Bleach is probably more dangerous if taken directly and they sell that everywhere!

 

[Gabryel Karolin]

This drug was popular in Sweden a while ago too, banned now, luckily. I've only heard of one other case of a person actually hallucinating though, it involved a girl barricading herself in her bathroom because 'they' were after her and then blacking out and waking up bloody a couple of hours later. Appearantly she had re-decorated her whole apartment, removing the potted plants from their pots and planting them in the bathtub, all sorts of weirdness. can't help but to think that there might have been some latent pchycic issue at work here though.

I don't really do drugs myself (just alcohol) but I've heard the high described as an amphetamine high with some extra feel-good effects added. Constantly grinding ones jaws, becoming extremely talkative, dilated pupils. Major downsides are horrible withdrawal symptoms, to the point of people checking themselves into the hospital after a few days race believeing they're dieing. Also a complete loss of dosage-control meaning what you have you'll use, even if you didn't plan to when you started.

The biggest problem with this was that although its very potent it was mostly young people buying it, people who didn't have the contacts to buy regular stuff. And its legal, so it can't be that dangerous, right? Horrible, horrible assumption.

I'm glad its banned here and you should ban it too.

 

[RedRalph]

I'm very appreciative of you calling scrotum removal 'antics'

 

[Yeekim]

Legal drug teen ripped his scrotum off.

Nominated for Darwin Award.

 

[CaptainF]

Banning drugs is teh stupid.

And stories like this only highlight said stupidity, like others in this thread have noted.

 

[warpus]

Looks like it's something that can be easily cultivated/obtained/etc.

Would make more sense to regulate it, otherwise it'll just fall into the black market = more violence, crime, etc.

 

[Duo]

Salvia gave me a mild panic attack. So I think it is sort of slightly irritating, but not much fun. See no need to ban such a thing. I have never had mephedrone and would probably avoid it, though I have met someone who seemed to like it a great deal. I can't say I really care much either way if the ban it.

 

[Shekwan]

I'm very appreciative of you calling scrotum removal 'antics'

I felt it was the most neutral way to put it. "Mutiliation" would seem too biased. He had his reasons, I respect that.

Salvia gave me a mild panic attack. So I think it is sort of slightly irritating, but not much fun. See no need to ban such a thing. I have never had mephedrone and would probably avoid it, though I have met someone who seemed to like it a great deal. I can't say I really care much either way if the ban it.

Salvia really messed me up. Out of nowhere I was raving about Terry Venables and standing at a doorway as if it was the edge of a cliff, asking people to hold me back. I was mildly aware of how much of a tool I was being at the time but unable to do anything about it, which made it worse.

But yeah, no reason to ban it. It doesn't have enough mass appeal to cause the Breakdown Of Society.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

What's so bad about El Tel? Apart from his idea that he could be a crooner in the Frank Sinatra mode?

 

[Shekwan]

What's so bad about El Tel? Apart from his idea that he could be a crooner in the Frank Sinatra mode?

I don't really remember what I was saying about him, but it certainly wasn't negative. I think I just liked the sound of his surname. Roaring "Venables" into the cold silent night like a druid of old.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Well he was about 10 million times better than Glenn "disabled people are paying for sins in a previous life, and I'll wait before introducing Michael Owen" Hoddle.

EDIT: It's clear, Glenn Hoddle sucked as a manager in a previous life.

 

[ParkCungHee]

i prefer banana peels.

I get my legal highs with ping-pong balls and a clock-radio.

 

[emzie]

I get my legal highs with ping-pong balls and a clock-radio.

BAN PINGPONG BALLS.

Also, having tried that, holy hell the brain is crazy.

 

[CurtSibling]

Link to video.

That was one of the funniest programs ever...!

 

[BCLG100]

Well he was about 10 million times better than Glenn "disabled people are paying for sins in a previous life, and I'll wait before introducing Michael Owen" Hoddle.

EDIT: It's clear, Glenn Hoddle sucked as a manager in a previous life.

Based on his theory, he must be already sizing up his house for ramps in the next life.

 

[Shekwan]

More news on the scrotum removal drug of choice:

Drugs committee 'in deep trouble'

Spoiler :

The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs is "in deep trouble", according to the latest expert to resign from it over the criminalisation of mephedrone.

Eric Carlin said ministers had pledged to ban the drug to appear to be "acting tough" in the run-up to the election.

He said experts were being ignored and the council was "not doing its job".

The council has recommended that the substance, linked to at least four UK deaths, and other so-called "legal highs" be classified as Class B drugs.

Mr Carlin told the BBC that when plans to ban mephedrone were announced: "The home secretary was briefed and doing press conferences before we'd even considered all our recommendations.

"If you have an expert advisory committee you have to deal with them as experts. I hope any incoming government will look at the role of external advisors, I think it's incredibly important.

“ What we fundamentally need to do is get to the root causes of why is it that our 14, 15-year-olds are getting off their faces? ”
Eric Carlin, former adviser

"We need to fundamentally re-frame this, and deal with it as a public health issue, not primarily as a criminal justice issue.

"There are more young people using illegal drugs now than ever did before, more young people drinking than ever did before.

"What we fundamentally need to do is get to the root causes of why is it that our 14, 15-year-olds are getting off their faces?"

Mr Carlin said he did not think the council should be scrapped, but said it was essential it was a genuinely independent body and its decisions were based on science not politics.

But Professor Neil McKeganey, who advises the Scottish government about drugs, said the council should be disbanded.

He told BBC Radio 5 Live: "This council is not working in the way in which it was intended. One is seeing serial resignations, week by week. I think to most people's judgement, the relationship between the ACMD and government has broken down."

FORMER ADVISERS
# Prof David Nutt - chairman of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs
# Dr Les King - part-time advisor to the Department of Health, senior chemist on ACMD
# Marion Walker - clinical director of Berkshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust's substance misuse service, Royal Pharmaceutical Society's representative on ACMD
# Dr John Marsden - psychologist
# Dr Ian Ragan - pharmaceutical consultant
# Dr Simon Campbell - synthetic organic chemist who received a CBE for services to science
# Dr Polly Tayor - independent scientific adviser on ACMD
# Eric Carlin - consultant to ACMD

Mr Carlin, 47, a former chairman of the English Drug Education Forum, is the seventh member of the body to resign following the sacking of former chairman Professor David Nutt.

In his letter to Home Secretary Alan Johnson, he wrote: "As well as being extremely unhappy with how the ACMD operates, I am not prepared to continue to be part of a body which, as its main activity, works to facilitate the potential criminalisation of increasing numbers of young people."

However another member of the ACMD told the BBC that they felt "properly consulted" and there were at least four meetings where mephedrone was discussed by the council or its expert committees.

The member, who does not have a scientific background, said they "did not feel under the slightest pressure from politicians or the media" when it came to making the decision to recommend that mephedrone should be classified as a Class B drug.

Mr Carlin's resignation comes just days after another adviser, Dr Polly Taylor, quit the ACMD for similar reasons.

Professor Nutt, who was sacked by Mr Johnson in October 2009, said he was not surprised by Mr Carlin's decision.

The Home Office called Mr Carlin's resignation "regrettable".

A spokesman said: "However it does not impact on our plans to ban mephedrone and the other substances as soon as parliamentary time allows.

"The home secretary has full confidence in [chairman] Professor [Les] Iversen and the rest of the ACMD committee."

The home secretary will ban mephedrone and the other substances within weeks, following the advice of the ACMD.

Class B drugs, which include cannabis and amphetamine sulphate, carry a maximum sentence of five years in prison for possession or 14 years for supply.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/8601499.stm

Long story short:

They're banning Mephedrone and making it a Class B drug, which can lead to sentencing of up to 5 years for possession and 14 for supply. The handling of the criminalisation of mephedrone has led to the resignation of another member of the drugs advisory council. The key problem that Eric Carlin highlighted upon resignation was that drugs policy should be a health issue and not a criminal one:

"We need to fundamentally re-frame this, and deal with it as a public health issue, not primarily as a criminal justice issue.

"There are more young people using illegal drugs now than ever did before, more young people drinking than ever did before.

"What we fundamentally need to do is get to the root causes of why is it that our 14, 15-year-olds are getting off their faces?"

This resignation is only the latest of seven since David Nutt was sacked as chief of drugs advisory council in October 2009.

Carlin suggested that drugs policy was being used as a political issue in the run up to the election. I can certainly see how its a good idea politically to ban some party drug that the Sun says causes revellers to rip their balls off, but is it really being ''tough on crime''? I know somebody who will make a fortune off the criminalisation of mephedrone here (expected to be banned in June in Ireland) as he can buy it up wholesale legally now at a ridiculously cheap price and sell it after its illegal at 10 times the price. Seems like a boon for organised crime, another product exclusively in their realm.

 

[Godwynn]

This Thread is worthless without pics

Spoiler :

 

[Disgustipated]

ripping scrotum off is good. Keep the stupid people out of the gene pool. This drug already goes to the top of my list. Too bad there is no way to curb stupid women. 1 out of 2 ain't bad though.