"No aligment change" gameoption?

arcticnightwolf

arcticnightwolf

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It could be cool to have "No aligment change" game option there, because I don't like games, where in late-game is everybody evil (or good) ...

Or option which prevents Evil civilizations from adopting RoK, Em, Order, neutral from AV, Order and Good from CoE, OO, AV.

...

Will you implement this ??

...

pleeeaaaase ? :D
 
You can either:

- Remove some religions
- Bring Hyborem
- Bring Basium
- Choose the AI leaders
- Select some special leaders (Decius, Cassiel and Auric) in order to balance the game.
 
Short of getting a game option here's something you can do:

CIV4ReligionInfo.xml is in Assets/XML/Gameinfo/

Each religion has a block like this toward the end of it's entry:

Code: 
			<Alignment>ALIGNMENT_NEUTRAL</Alignment>
			<AlignmentBest>ALIGNMENT_GOOD</AlignmentBest>
			<AlignmentWorst>ALIGNMENT_EVIL</AlignmentWorst>
			<iAlignmentModifier>0</iAlignmentModifier>

That's from the Fellowship of Leaves. Replace the corresponding block in each other religion with the above and no religion will change alignment.

The only way I know of to keep a civ from adopting a religion that'd change alignment is editing each Leader's entry in CIV4LeaderHeadInfos.xml (Assets/XML/Civilizations). A "ReligionWeightModifier" of -100 will prevent a Leader from adopting a that religion.
 
Tarquelne said:
The only way I know of to keep a civ from adopting a religion that'd change alignment is editing each Leader's entry in CIV4LeaderHeadInfos.xml (Assets/XML/Civilizations). A "ReligionWeightModifier" of -100 will prevent a Leader from adopting a that religion.
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For anyone too lazy to do it on their own, here's my modified CIV4LeaderHeadInfos.xml:

http://rapidshare.com/files/211834196/CIV4LeaderHeadInfos.xml

Here's a quick peek for Sabathiel and Charadon:

Spoiler :
Code: 
        <LeaderHeadInfo>
            <Type>LEADER_SABATHIEL</Type>
            ...
            <ReligionWeightModifiers>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_COUNCIL_OF_ESUS</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-70</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_FELLOWSHIP_OF_LEAVES</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-40</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_OCTOPUS_OVERLORDS</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-70</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_RUNES_OF_KILMORPH</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-20</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_ASHEN_VEIL</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-90</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_EMPYREAN</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>20</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_ORDER</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>90</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
            </ReligionWeightModifiers>
        </LeaderHeadInfo>

------------

        <LeaderHeadInfo>
            <Type>LEADER_CHARADON</Type>
            ...
            <ReligionWeightModifiers>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_COUNCIL_OF_ESUS</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>20</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_FELLOWSHIP_OF_LEAVES</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-40</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_OCTOPUS_OVERLORDS</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>20</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_RUNES_OF_KILMORPH</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-70</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_ASHEN_VEIL</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>90</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_EMPYREAN</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-80</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_ORDER</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-90</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
            </ReligionWeightModifiers>
        </LeaderHeadInfo>
 
Honor said:
Here's a quick peek for Sabathiel and Charadon:

Spoiler :
Code: 
        <LeaderHeadInfo>
            <Type>LEADER_SABATHIEL</Type>
            ...
            <ReligionWeightModifiers>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_COUNCIL_OF_ESUS</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-70</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_FELLOWSHIP_OF_LEAVES</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-40</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_OCTOPUS_OVERLORDS</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-70</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_RUNES_OF_KILMORPH</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-20</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_ASHEN_VEIL</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-90</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_EMPYREAN</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>20</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_ORDER</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>90</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
            </ReligionWeightModifiers>
        </LeaderHeadInfo>

------------

        <LeaderHeadInfo>
            <Type>LEADER_CHARADON</Type>
            ...
            <ReligionWeightModifiers>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_COUNCIL_OF_ESUS</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>20</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_FELLOWSHIP_OF_LEAVES</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-40</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_OCTOPUS_OVERLORDS</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>20</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_RUNES_OF_KILMORPH</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-70</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_ASHEN_VEIL</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>90</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_EMPYREAN</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-80</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
                 <ReligionWeightModifier>
                    <ReligionType>RELIGION_THE_ORDER</ReligionType>
                    <iWeightModifier>-90</iWeightModifier>
                 </ReligionWeightModifier>
            </ReligionWeightModifiers>
        </LeaderHeadInfo>
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Why does Sabathiel have such low values for other good religions, like RoK and Empyrean?

Also, charadon especially, shouldn't have a block against RoK. Playing a bit with him, I find it's perhaps the best religion for doviello overall. The money giving temples help to keep their economy afloat as you take hundreds of cities. Bambur is a nice assist to your mostly melee based army, and the Mines of Gal Dur are likewise.

I think RoK has a lot of synergy for the doviello. I'd personally be inclined to make it their highest weighted religion. They don't really suit any of them, thematically, but RoK is about the closest. Also, charadon has a beard, and they start with earth mana. Which is primarily what made me try that combination in the first place.
 
The most important reason is that RoK comes too early and changes evil guys to neutral. Neutral religions make it almost impossible to have a real conflict in the game world when everyone converts to the religion that gets spread the first and the fastest. Plus, RoK is too "Khazad" and FoL is too "elven" for anyone else to have an affinity to them IMO.

Sabathiel has a low value for RoK, because it comes too early and has a much greater chance of converting everyone else on the continent. Empyrean is also low for Sab, but it still isn't "low" at all (it is still a positive value) - just lower than Order - which fit the Bannor better thematically. This is reversed for the Malakim and the Elohim have them both at 90 (IIRC).
 
I can see your point about the alignment changing effect.

It's not too bad, though. In my current Doviello game, I'm playing Evil RoK. Yay for Broader alignments.

Adopting undercouncil, slavery, conquest, and razing cities regularly, helps to keep the alignment low enough to adopt such a good religion and still be evil, while reaping the military and economic benefits :)
 
Perhaps some leaders have too large AV modifier in Honor's xml. I usually disable RoK and FoL natural spread, too. Then again, I don't play FF.

All that, however, must be less of a problem in FF, then in FFH.
 
I usually gave any evil leader 90 for AV, and any good leader 90 for Order and Empyrean. Surely if someone could customize the file to fit the lore and the personality of each leader that would be awesome.
 
I think that most Honor's values fit the personalities of the leaders pretty well. Some nitpicks, through -

I'd lower the Order modifier for Elohim to 30-50. They seem to be more suited for Empyrian, lorewise, then for the Order.

Thessa should be slightly more tolerant of evil religions, then Arendel.

Maybe Sidar should have slightly more weight to CoE. Hannah should give more weight to OO. Why does Falamar dislike Good religions (Empyrean and Order) more then Hannah? From what I've read about them, it should be the opposite.

I don't think of the Doviello (or even Clan) as having a predetermined love of AV. Actually, of all the religions of the game, a more barbaric interpretation of FoL fits them quite nicely - their society is built on the Nature's "survival of the fittest" principle. Perhaps Mahala, as the more moderate of the two Doviello leaders, should have a slightly lower distaste of Good religions.

Perpentach really should vaule OO, for its madness aspects, more then AV.

To combat the early FoL influence, Faeryl should value CoE higher then FoL. Maybe 60 for CoE, 35 for FoL.

Maybe Flauros should have more weight to CoE and OO and less weight to AV.

Don't know anything about the FF leaders.
 
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