NOTW LV: The Underground (Game Thread)

Using it at the right times with verifiable night actions can out scum and clear some townies.

In hindsight that role is never a scum role and neither is sprigs. If I thought harder about it BL should've been the lynch but ah well.

Well sure its never a scum role, but its an ok cover role because its unverifiable and looks town-ish
 
Possible scum teams I see:

Kennigit/Sprig
Kennigit/Backwards
Backwards/Visor

2 - Kennigit, Backwards Logic
1 - Visorslash, Sprig
0 - choxorn
So close. Visor verifying your tracking ability was the only thing holding me back (which is not his fault because you apparently DID have that ability). I'm pretty sure I noted all of these at some point in the game, but mainly because:

- Your tracking list could not have possibly been more convenient. It looked totally fake, you just happening to track only living players with claims raised eyebrows. It especially raised the question of why you revealed to Visor early on if he was the only person you never tracked?

- While aggressive early on, this was all after townies and you dropped off the face of the earth in the last few days. Look at Masque of Death or Darths and Droids - townie BL doesn't go silent like that.

- Why would a claimed tracker still be alive when everyone knows there's no living doctor?

- It explained why Visor was alive (you revealed to him early to gain the town network leader's trust and lower his suspicions of you).

- You did try to push things towards choxorn on the day Kennigit was lynched, but you didn't fully commit to a vote, like you were making sure it was kosher before you did it.

That scan of Sprig (and telling Visor before Sprig revealed his actions that night) won you the game. With you being confirmed a tracker, everything above seems tinfoily.

I probably should have realized Sprig's ability was not a scum one, but it seemed of questionable use to a townie, especially with that personal goal and his chosen targets. Plus I didn't think he was acting like a townie at all.

I didn't use my ability because I didn't think its effect was that useful. Everyone I suspected had already claimed an active ability anyways. It wasn't worth killing myself over. I thought I was more useful to the town alive than dead. I hate having this kind of ability anyways, I don't want to be pressured into killing myself to be useful. I want to play the game, I don't want to die.

I dunno why I thought I had 3 strength. There's no excuse really. I make stupid mistakes sometimes, but this didn't really matter anyways.

The game balance seemed fine. Probably too many nightkills, but the setup is solid. Making BL's role a tracker is brilliant, it's great cover.

Sigh. Too little, too late. I should have gotten more involved in the game sooner, instead of relying on late game heroics. Should have pushed people besides me and Visor to post more and force them to give their reads and thoughts. Should not have thrown BL out the window as a suspect because he was a tracker.

At least I got Visor shaking in his boots from some epic trash talk last night. :lol: Which feels even more ridiculous now than it did then. I think my original justification was trying to figure out what you were doing, but it kind of spiraled from there. And I feel silly for sending that long list of leading questions to choxorn and BL last night to convince them Visor was the orc, not me. I think I may have brought choxorn over to my side in this hypothetical world where Visor was the orc and BL was town, but it ended up not mattering anyways.
 
Why was I killed by the isolationists relatively early on? I wasn't really doing anything important.

Brilliant game though, lots of fun to watch after death.

Basically, I wanted at the early phase of the game to kill someone half-random. Just not Zack (not night 1 or 2) or Visor (not too early. I wanted to kill him soon). Someone not associated with us.

our qt:
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/XBmJhpbfk7xgf
 
What is "3-5" in the golem scanner role? Why is there a range
I'm guessing it's to leave the player some choice of accuracy vs coverage in his scan. I'd only get a number in my result, not any names. If I'd scan 5 golems, there's greater chance of finding one in disguise, but more difficult of knowing who it is. With 3 it's less of a chance to find a liar, but less players to choose from if you do.

It was a nice ability. Unfortunately, I replace an inactive who wasn't using it. If it had been used from n1, you would have been found earlier. Weather or not you would've been able to talk your way out of it I can't say. ;)
 
Could my strength have grown indefinitely, or was there a cap?
 
It could have grown indefinitely, but there was a functional limit due to the length of the game, and if you somehow did hit six, then there were no further benefits (six was stronger than either scum team at full roster), and really, hitting three was the last point that would actually have much value.
 
Final thoughts: I thought from the beginning that the orcs might be slightly overpowered. I think more, their enemies were relatively weak compared to a typical NotW. I also was worried about an absolute bloodbath, with the theoretical possibility of five dead in one night, and I think I got lucky that we never even got close to that.
The primary vote tiebreaker, as I said in the dead thread, was that the side with more golems lost, but it never came up. I'd love any feedback others care to give, and I'm happy to answer any questions.

Each time you play a game the result will be different. You could think you have perfectly balanced the game and one person goes AWOL and it ruins the set up.

What would happen had some weaker than you attacked?
 
The only strength based kill was TFA/Double A's. In that case, as we saw, attacking someone stronger resulted in death.
 
I probably should have realized Sprig's ability was not a scum one, but it seemed of questionable use to a townie, especially with that personal goal and his chosen targets. Plus I didn't think he was acting like a townie at all.

Yeah, his behavior on the day he was lynched was very defeatist and like "whelp, you win guys." He wasn't even really trying to get anyone but himself lynched. It seemed very much like defeated anti-townie behavior to me, either he was the last orc or he was some sort of third-party role and his ability seemed like something a third-party role might have.

Sigh. Too little, too late. I should have gotten more involved in the game sooner, instead of relying on late game heroics. Should have pushed people besides me and Visor to post more and force them to give their reads and thoughts. Should not have thrown BL out the window as a suspect because he was a tracker.

I feel the same way, but I always tend to play badly early on and get it together later- there's often just too much noise in the first 2 or 3 days for my scumdar to get many useful pings and sometimes it gets distracted and lynches someone like bladescape or spaceman.

I think I may have brought choxorn over to my side in this hypothetical world where Visor was the orc and BL was town, but it ended up not mattering anyways.

Another reason I was so sure that Sprig wasn't townie was that you and Visor both gave me really town reads towards the end- I just didn't feel like the way either one of you acted would make any sense if you weren't townie. And while your ability could be a cover ability, that's not a cover ability you'd ever pretend to have, and not a cover ability most people would pretend to have, and it's a useless ability for a scum to have for real.

I was starting to consider the BL possibility towards the end, though- some re-reads through the thread raised the same question marks you'd had about him, I was just distracted by Sprig's odd behavior and Visor's sureness that BL was innocent.
 
Yeah, his behavior on the day he was lynched was very defeatist and like "whelp, you win guys." He wasn't even really trying to get anyone but himself lynched. It seemed very much like defeated anti-townie behavior to me, either he was the last orc or he was some sort of third-party role and his ability seemed like something a third-party role might have.

Weird. How did you get that impression.
 
You barely said or did anything for the first half of the day, for one thing.
 
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