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[NFP] November Update Video

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by bite, Nov 9, 2020.

  1. iammaxhailme

    iammaxhailme Emperor

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    Personally I'd be glad if Bablyon's unique building is a water mill, since there are no unique water mills in the game. I'd love if each building had at least one unique variant. Well, except the buildings that come too late to make much of an effect by being unique. Even America's film studio comes, IMO, very late for a unique.

    I wonder what else is missing. There are no unique monuments (except the secret societies one) or granaries either. A granary could have been used for any mesopotamian civilization just as easily, it could be a brewery or something along those lines. Trajan getting a free monument is close...
     
  2. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    Or it replaces nothing.
     
  3. Pitohui

    Pitohui Chieftain

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    We dont know if what we saw was a babylonian city.We can,however, rule out an unique library because we saw them research Writig and the generic library icon showed there.
     
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  4. Lord Lakely

    Lord Lakely Idea Fountain

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    Screams Horse Archer to me, to be honest
    Screams Assyria to me, to be honest. :eyeroll:
     
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  5. SammyKhalifa

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    I mean I don't think anyone should or would be shocked if, with all the great people emphasis in the patch, they reworked the GPP numbers.
     
  6. Andrew Johnson [FXS]

    Andrew Johnson [FXS] Warlord

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    That's the idea!
     
  7. Casworon

    Casworon Prince

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    At 1:17 in the video we can see the selection screen for Heroes and Legends mode

    It looks like the pictures on the left are the pictures of heroes in the mode

    The one on the middle right in this picture. If I'm right that's the hero we haven't worked out who it is yet
     
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  8. Luxerne

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    I'm glad. If I may, can I ask if we're getting more African or Native/Latin American or Southeast Asian great people? :crazyeye:
     
  9. Josephias

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    Might be so :thumbsup:. If you look at the CS UI screenshot, assuming that is a Babylonian city, you can glimpse the same building seems to appear behind the leftmost skyscrapper. (Just ignore the circles. Feeling lazy today, I got the screenshot from @Wielki Hegemon post where he was showing the city-state UI)




    Spoiler Edit :

    ok, I'm getting the job actually well done and pointing out the building :)
    Babylon UI.png
     
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  10. Wielki Hegemon

    Wielki Hegemon King

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    As for Slavic (polish) heroes:
    Twardowski, Baba Jaga, Piast Kołodziej, Waligóra and Wyrwidąb.
    If you are interested there was a series of polish legends short videos (modernized versions on YT) with English subtitles.



     
  11. Jay247

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    looks awesome, cant wait for first look.
     
  12. conorbebe

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    A unique water mill, really? Irrigation networks really weren’t that unique by the time of the Babylonian Empire, and I feel like a focus like that should be reserved for an Indus Valley civilisation if we ever got one (which is admittedly unlikely).

    It’s just so generic for the time period. Maybe it would be too predictable, but I would have preferred a library or ancient walls replacement, because at least those would be justifiable.
     
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  13. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Benelovent Chieftain of the BearKingdom

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    Something to keep in mind

    The blurb for the pack mentions that infrastructure is also a strength of Babylon in some way.
     
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  14. CivLuvah

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    The Heroes and Legends mode is very interesting. Forget the other fantasy modes the NFP has, this mode is more appropriate for Civ than the others.

    Also I can't wait for the new city-states and great people. Finally an announcement that's worthwhile.
     
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  15. Aurelesk

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    I am redoing the Maths: at 1:38 we can see the Babylonian are researching Engineering at turn 38 with 2.5 Science per turn, with ~10% completed and 59 turns remaining.

    Engineering cost is 200 Science, +10% due to be classical technology while the world era is ancient, so 220 Science. If they need 59 × 2.5 = 147.5 Science to complete it, they should have completed 72.5 Science yet... which is far more than 10%! This is more 33%! Which means they are playing at Quick Speed.
    At Quick Speed, the Science cost drops to 220 × 0.75 = 165 Science. If 147.5 Science need to be done to do this, this means 17.5 Science was poured in the Technology which is ~10.6%. They are definitely playing at Quick Speed.

    Unlocking Engineering need to unlock the Wheel (80 × 0.75 = 60 Science) and Mining (25 × 0.75 = 18.75 Science). No way they could cumulate 88.75 Science, not including Bronze Working (Encampment) and Mining (we can see a Mine). They seems to be able to complete a Settler because they have a second city in the South.

    • Pottery's cost: 18.75 Science. Done: ~11.25 Science.
    • Animal Husbandry's cost: 18.75 Science. Done?
      • Archery's cost: 37.5 Science. At least 22.5 Science with standard Eureka.
    • Mining's cost: 18.75. It is done (Builder can put a Mine on a Hill).
      • Bronze Working's cost: 60 Science. At least 36 Science with standard Eureka.
    In total: 106.25 Science. What they could have: 1.5 × 19 = 28.5, more or less with a city at 1 Population at start, or if they completed a Settlers, dropping the Population.

    Theory: Eureka grants the Technology. Which means:
    • No need to have Animal Husbandry be completed for Archery.
    • If so, they only need Mining completed (18.75 Science) and the Pottery one (11.25), so 30 Science. Which seems to fit.
    I guess they do have a Eureka grants Technology. Maybe it is limited to the world current era and can't have all technologies with the Eureka. I don't think they are researching Engineering at random: could we have the Walls of Babylon in this game?
     
  16. Txomin

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    New mode sounds fun. I wonder if Gilgamesh will get an ability tweak in the game mode like Tamar in Dramatic Ages since it seems pretty thematic to him.
    I'd be all for a mythology civ spinoff. Can never have enough 4x games in your life :)
     
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  17. Andrew Johnson [FXS]

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    I can't reveal anything that's not revealed via the videos. I can only say that I see that as a personal goal and, as an academic whose work is focused on the non-West, I have made a lot of efforts to include figures from outside of the traditional focal points (e.g. USA, Europe, and also Middle East, East Asia, South Asia). I hope that you'll be pleasantly surprised. It's been a real pleasure to work on this stuff.

    There's more Mulans than just those! The Ballad of Mulan dates from the 5th century/ Northern Wei period, though it's a very different story!
     
  18. pokiehl

    pokiehl Emperor

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    No one has any more information about it than you do.

    I can't imagine the Old God monument wouldn't be fully compatible. They've emphasized that all modes work together.
     
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  19. bengalryan9

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    The thing that I really like is that the heroes do seem to have uses outside of combat. For those of us who hate going to war that's a pretty nice feature.
     
  20. Wielki Hegemon

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    And then I have found this. :)

    Seems like you are right
     

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