Chazbagel
Prince
He is greek. Give him a break. Personally, as the dutch i would pray to the god named "God". Hes a good guy. 
Now THIS is a bad start!
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tR1cKy
taking over the world
You're right. But this is a fictional situation. IMO, it's better to use fictional gods when necessary. Religious feelings are a serious matter and it's easy to get involved in the quarrels that may come out of using real religious names.AndrewH said:He is greek. Give him a break. Personally, as the dutch i would pray to the god named "God". Hes a good guy.
Let's say you decide to use "God" or "Allah". How long would you take before you (unwillingly) offend a catholic or a muslim? It would be like walking in a minefield. Then, what if your favourite character decides to toss a curse? At least in this story you can come out of it with a "Zeus boil'em" or something like that.
About your previous post, thanx! The advisor has always a ugly face when someone declares on you. But this time, America declaring on me was GREAT news, so i decided to give the advisor a more appropriate mood
EDIT: over 6.000!!!!
The Chieftan
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This is an incredibly engrossing log of your game Tricky, I hope you win. 
Tomoyo
Fate
Well, that number isn't "number people who have viewed the thread", it's "number of times the thread has been viewed". Sorry to burst your bubble.EDIT: over 6.000!!!!!
Gogf
Indescribable
I've never seen anyone be congratulatory about the number of views a thread has had before 
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tR1cKy
taking over the world
@The Chieftan: welcome to CivFanatics' Forums! And thanx for your support! Care to join for a lager?
@Tomoyo: no problem, i know what a viewcount means. No bubble busted, and nothing to be sorry, then.
@Gogf, actually, i've seen someone congratulating on Vanadorn for the impressive number of views of its "Pax Romana" story...
Now, for everyone, 2 cents about the viewcount. It's not so important. It's just a number telling me that someone still bothers to read the thread and nothing more. Something worth a single line of 4/5 words at the end of a post.
Say you start a game log. After the initial interest, people stop posting in it and the viewcount sits idle for a few days. It would be a signal that the argument is pretty much ignored, and you'd better spend your time in something else. On the other hand, if there are new posts in it and the viewcount is steadily increasing day by day, it means that there are at least some people interested in what you're writing, and this is a further motivation to go on with the log. Just it.
Be assured that i'm not the type of guy who feels smart, big or important because of 6000+ views in the thread he started. If someone had the impression that i was bragging about it, well, i'm sorry to have given the wrong impression. There's nothing to brag about, i'm just a bit pleased of that.
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SIDE NOTE: no viewcounts involved
i'd only say that an update is imminent.
@Tomoyo: no problem, i know what a viewcount means. No bubble busted, and nothing to be sorry, then.
@Gogf, actually, i've seen someone congratulating on Vanadorn for the impressive number of views of its "Pax Romana" story...
Now, for everyone, 2 cents about the viewcount. It's not so important. It's just a number telling me that someone still bothers to read the thread and nothing more. Something worth a single line of 4/5 words at the end of a post.
Say you start a game log. After the initial interest, people stop posting in it and the viewcount sits idle for a few days. It would be a signal that the argument is pretty much ignored, and you'd better spend your time in something else. On the other hand, if there are new posts in it and the viewcount is steadily increasing day by day, it means that there are at least some people interested in what you're writing, and this is a further motivation to go on with the log. Just it.
Be assured that i'm not the type of guy who feels smart, big or important because of 6000+ views in the thread he started. If someone had the impression that i was bragging about it, well, i'm sorry to have given the wrong impression. There's nothing to brag about, i'm just a bit pleased of that.
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SIDE NOTE: no viewcounts involved
i'd only say that an update is imminent.
tR1cKy
taking over the world
1080AD - Operation Jessie James, phase two
Nothing dramatic happened in the interturn. The pillaging knight was killed (but i was expecting this), and none of the conquered american cities flipped.
Anyway, the planned blitz on New York was a failure, and for the 2nd time in history roman attackers were repealed. But this time, there are positive things coming out of this failure. The mass attack on the american standing troops has surely delivered to Abe a nice bunch of WW points, and the damaged knights are now safe into the Roman soil. This turn they can be moved to Forte Pizza for a quick heal.
The knights previously garrisoned there are now at full strength. 2 more companies have just arrived from the training camps, and a unit garrisoned outside San Francisco is also available. A total of 12 mounted companies available for battle.
It is time to decide my next moves. The targets are obvious: New York, Philadelphia, then the rest of american territory. An ideal battle plan would be like this:
First, a combat settler would found a fort in the blue spot, claiming the land delimited by the solid blue border. This would allow my troops to move toward New York and Philadelphia in only 1 turn (light blue arrows). An ideal spot for a combined strike on both cities, considering that i would benefit of the artillery support.
This plan has only one drawback. It's too slow.
First, these towns nearby cannot provide a colonist in a reasonable time. The closest source would be Tlaxcala, size 2 city due to expand next turn. A settler could be rushed now and being popped just in time. But it would take 3 turns to reach the destination, another one to build the fort, and another one to move my troops in the attack position. 6 turns in total from now, in which any conquered city is at risk of cultural flip.
Second, America is a few turns away from either Military Tradition or Nationalism. Cavalries or, even worse, riflemen. Waiting 6 turns before striking again could mean giving Abe the necessary break to master one of these 2 technologies. The consequences are obvious.
In brief: the offensive must be QUICK. Abe must be deprived of its research potential. War weariness in America city must be sent skyrocketing. And these tasks must be fulfilled as quickly as possible.
What to do then? I think i'm left with only one option: to send another blitz force to New York. And if this means attacking without the support of the artillery, then so be it.
First, let's deal with the "easy" tasks. Slaves are sent working. Reinforcement troops are moved toward the front. The damaged knights are dispatched to Forte Pizza and fortified there. The settler in Calixaca is rushed, it will be useful anyway.
Now, let's count the troops available. 12 knight companies; 3 muskets in the range for being used as a support for the knights. At least 1 knight must remain in zone to deal with possible flips. The rest are sent north for New York, supported by 3 musket compaines.
Some troops are sent to deal with pesters. The "killer" longbowman on the saltpeter tile is sent to hell. The 2 longbows on the nearby mountain are given the same treatment after being redlined by the catapults. And finally, an audience with Cleo of the Egyptians is called.
Hello, sweetie. For years (or thousands of) the Romans have withnessed at your endless struggle to keep alive your distant, worthless city-state. Well, i cannot continue to sit idle in laziness while a cute and sexy chick like you is constrained to bear such a burden, That's why i'm sending some of my finest soldiers to relieve you from the pain. Too bad this means that we are in a state of war. Don't blame me, these are the rules of the game. However, it will be quick and painless. Just sit in your palace and wait for my incoming legions. We'll be enjoying a drink together in a day or two, in the newborn province of Pi-Ramesses.
I end the turn. A longbow kills mine, on the saltpeter tile, and a musket move to defend it. Another stinking longbow attack a legionary on a mountain. Pester killed, legion promoted. Another one kills a musket (again!) supporting the stack of knights. But the vermin is redlined. 2 other american muskets wander around, shouldn't they be supposed to defend the city? Cleo send a archer to welcome my troops. Legions cheer him
Abe has completed another wonder. Smith's trading company in Washington. It will be a fine addition to the Roman Kingdom. San Francisco and Atlanta haven't flipped yet.
1090AD - The battle of New York
12 mounted companies are ready to attack New York. 2 elites, 10 veterans. Many of them have already fought for the Roman Crown in the Battles of San Francisco and Atlanta.
An unknown number of musket companies defend the city. Strangely, there are no veterans. Abe should have some serious problems in delivering orders to his troops. While veteran muskets are left wandering in the open plains, New York is defended by regulars. Misteries of the AS.
The first charge kills a musket. Then a knight dies without doing any damage. Another one retreats redlined, but the musket is damaged. Other charges follows. Another musket is damaged but remains visible. Only 3 regular muskets defending, plus some other weaker units, maybe longbows. Another knight dies charging, the musket is redlined but is promoted. The following knight kills him. A veteran longbow shows up, and it takes 2 knights to kill it. 2 muskets at 1/4 remains, and are both killed by the 2 following charges. New York is captured.
Catapults move north of Atlanta. It's necessary to kill another musket in order to ensure safe communications with the roman land. Disposing of the remaining pester NE of Atlanta would also be a good idea. Catapults redlines, foot unit kills. Business as usual.
In the southern scenario, roman troops approach Pi-Ramesses. Next turn, they'll be ready to capture the town.
I end the turn, and finally one of my muskets manage to defend against a longbowman! An american galleon has dropped a longbow and a musket on the open plains north of New York, which has weak defences at the moment. I haven't seen a single american knight yet. Only muskets and longbows. Aren't they receiving horses from the Iroquois? Probably their production potential is seriously crippled and they're choosing to build some cheaper units... who knows? A look at the histograph reveal a dramatic drop in the American score, too much even for a nation which has lost 1/3 of their cities. War weariness is hitting Abe dramatically, or at least it seems so. Good news for me.
In the shot: The northern scenario in 1090AD, just after the conquest of New York.
Nothing dramatic happened in the interturn. The pillaging knight was killed (but i was expecting this), and none of the conquered american cities flipped.
Anyway, the planned blitz on New York was a failure, and for the 2nd time in history roman attackers were repealed. But this time, there are positive things coming out of this failure. The mass attack on the american standing troops has surely delivered to Abe a nice bunch of WW points, and the damaged knights are now safe into the Roman soil. This turn they can be moved to Forte Pizza for a quick heal.
The knights previously garrisoned there are now at full strength. 2 more companies have just arrived from the training camps, and a unit garrisoned outside San Francisco is also available. A total of 12 mounted companies available for battle.
It is time to decide my next moves. The targets are obvious: New York, Philadelphia, then the rest of american territory. An ideal battle plan would be like this:
First, a combat settler would found a fort in the blue spot, claiming the land delimited by the solid blue border. This would allow my troops to move toward New York and Philadelphia in only 1 turn (light blue arrows). An ideal spot for a combined strike on both cities, considering that i would benefit of the artillery support.
This plan has only one drawback. It's too slow.
First, these towns nearby cannot provide a colonist in a reasonable time. The closest source would be Tlaxcala, size 2 city due to expand next turn. A settler could be rushed now and being popped just in time. But it would take 3 turns to reach the destination, another one to build the fort, and another one to move my troops in the attack position. 6 turns in total from now, in which any conquered city is at risk of cultural flip.
Second, America is a few turns away from either Military Tradition or Nationalism. Cavalries or, even worse, riflemen. Waiting 6 turns before striking again could mean giving Abe the necessary break to master one of these 2 technologies. The consequences are obvious.
In brief: the offensive must be QUICK. Abe must be deprived of its research potential. War weariness in America city must be sent skyrocketing. And these tasks must be fulfilled as quickly as possible.
What to do then? I think i'm left with only one option: to send another blitz force to New York. And if this means attacking without the support of the artillery, then so be it.
First, let's deal with the "easy" tasks. Slaves are sent working. Reinforcement troops are moved toward the front. The damaged knights are dispatched to Forte Pizza and fortified there. The settler in Calixaca is rushed, it will be useful anyway.
Now, let's count the troops available. 12 knight companies; 3 muskets in the range for being used as a support for the knights. At least 1 knight must remain in zone to deal with possible flips. The rest are sent north for New York, supported by 3 musket compaines.
Some troops are sent to deal with pesters. The "killer" longbowman on the saltpeter tile is sent to hell. The 2 longbows on the nearby mountain are given the same treatment after being redlined by the catapults. And finally, an audience with Cleo of the Egyptians is called.
Hello, sweetie. For years (or thousands of) the Romans have withnessed at your endless struggle to keep alive your distant, worthless city-state. Well, i cannot continue to sit idle in laziness while a cute and sexy chick like you is constrained to bear such a burden, That's why i'm sending some of my finest soldiers to relieve you from the pain. Too bad this means that we are in a state of war. Don't blame me, these are the rules of the game. However, it will be quick and painless. Just sit in your palace and wait for my incoming legions. We'll be enjoying a drink together in a day or two, in the newborn province of Pi-Ramesses.
I end the turn. A longbow kills mine, on the saltpeter tile, and a musket move to defend it. Another stinking longbow attack a legionary on a mountain. Pester killed, legion promoted. Another one kills a musket (again!) supporting the stack of knights. But the vermin is redlined. 2 other american muskets wander around, shouldn't they be supposed to defend the city? Cleo send a archer to welcome my troops. Legions cheer him
Abe has completed another wonder. Smith's trading company in Washington. It will be a fine addition to the Roman Kingdom. San Francisco and Atlanta haven't flipped yet.
1090AD - The battle of New York
12 mounted companies are ready to attack New York. 2 elites, 10 veterans. Many of them have already fought for the Roman Crown in the Battles of San Francisco and Atlanta.
An unknown number of musket companies defend the city. Strangely, there are no veterans. Abe should have some serious problems in delivering orders to his troops. While veteran muskets are left wandering in the open plains, New York is defended by regulars. Misteries of the AS.
The first charge kills a musket. Then a knight dies without doing any damage. Another one retreats redlined, but the musket is damaged. Other charges follows. Another musket is damaged but remains visible. Only 3 regular muskets defending, plus some other weaker units, maybe longbows. Another knight dies charging, the musket is redlined but is promoted. The following knight kills him. A veteran longbow shows up, and it takes 2 knights to kill it. 2 muskets at 1/4 remains, and are both killed by the 2 following charges. New York is captured.
Catapults move north of Atlanta. It's necessary to kill another musket in order to ensure safe communications with the roman land. Disposing of the remaining pester NE of Atlanta would also be a good idea. Catapults redlines, foot unit kills. Business as usual.
In the southern scenario, roman troops approach Pi-Ramesses. Next turn, they'll be ready to capture the town.
I end the turn, and finally one of my muskets manage to defend against a longbowman! An american galleon has dropped a longbow and a musket on the open plains north of New York, which has weak defences at the moment. I haven't seen a single american knight yet. Only muskets and longbows. Aren't they receiving horses from the Iroquois? Probably their production potential is seriously crippled and they're choosing to build some cheaper units... who knows? A look at the histograph reveal a dramatic drop in the American score, too much even for a nation which has lost 1/3 of their cities. War weariness is hitting Abe dramatically, or at least it seems so. Good news for me.
In the shot: The northern scenario in 1090AD, just after the conquest of New York.
tR1cKy
taking over the world
1100AD - Cleopatra's forced retirement
Roman legions and longbows knock at the door of Pi-Ramesses, but are faced by a surprising resistance of the Egyptian forces. Those scumbags fight until death. 2 roman companies are lost and 3 badly damaged. Too much for 1 veteran spear and 2 regulars. Anyway, the last remnant of the Egyptian nation is now a province of the Roman Kingdom, and finally a leader has been created. The surviving soldiers are garrisoned into the town. The leader head north at full speed.
To the northern front, things are pretty straightforward now. No more time for scientific battle plans. No more times for strategic pauses between offensives. The leitmotif is only one: grab the rest of the American land as soon as possible. Cultural flip is a risk too high, and time cannot be wasted. Only the complete annexation of the United States of America will get rid of the cultural pressure problem.
The next target is Philadelphia. After the battle of New York, many mounted units need to be healed. They are sent south, to the safety of the military structures located in Forte Pizza. But 8 knight companies have just regained full strength and are ready to be sent back to the frontline. They are garrisoned on the plains outside Atlanta and put in hold for further orders.
Some troops are placed outside New York, ready to recapture the city in case of a revolt. 2 knights, 2 muskets, 1 longbow and 6 catapults. More than enough to withstand a skirmish. The catapults redline a wandering musket, a knight kill him. 2 elite knights are moved outside New York to join the blitz team. Rather than venturing directly in the American land, the blitz army is parked outside New York with the rest of the other troops, protected by 2 musket companies. 11 mounted units will be available for the blitz if New York stays loyal.
Reinforcements are on the way and slaves are re-deployed. Nothing else to do but end the turn and pray the RNG gods to be merciful...
1110AD - Dire news from the front
Once again, no town revolted, but New York was almost recaptured by the filthy americans. Frigates bombarding the city had a lucky strike: harbor destroyed and musket company damaged at half. A longbow attacks and is killed, the musketman is redlined but promoted elite. The remaining american musketman attacks, manage to redline the roman defender but is killed at least. New York is safe, and still in my hands.
Troops are re-deployed. The damaged musket in New York is sent to San Francisco where it will help in quelling the resistors. Fresh troops are stationed outside New York and Atlanta, ready to recapture the city. The "combat settler" is arrived (late), but will found a fort anyway, in which a barracks will be rushed ASAP. This way i'll have a location where to heal quickly wounded troops (Forte Pizza is now a little too distant). New York has functional barrack but healing troops there is too risky.
The leader is still struggling to arrive north as fast as he can. And 12 mounted companies are sent toward Philadelphia. They reach the open plains just outside the city. Next turn they'll strike. The companies are unprotected, thus prone to American skirmishes. I hope they won't hit too hard.
The turn ends... and nothing terrific happens. No city has revolted. The quelling in San Francisco proceed slowly. American boats continue to bombard the coast of New York. Abe, seriously, what's your problem? I'm swallowing your country as fast as a lightning and you find no better option than bombarding tiles with Frigates?. Oh, another boat has dropped some units on the just pillaged tile, north of New York. 2 muskets, 1 longbow, 1 archer. Still no sign of knights.
In the New World, Bob of the Iroquois had declared on Babylon and captured the city of Uruk. Now only the city Babylon is left, plus the small settlement of Niniveh south of the persian capital, Antioch. Bob has finally decided to annex what remains of the Babylonian core territory.
Now someone might start wondering... what are these "dire news" he's babbling about? Plain and simple, Philadelphia. Last turn, the visible defender was a veteran musketman. Now this musket has just turned into a rifleman.
America has just discovered Nationalism. Exactly what i didn't want to happen.
Seeing in perspective, things are even worse than what they may look like at a first glance. With nationalism, Abe can mobilize its population and draft extra units to defend their cities. I'm not worried by mobilization, it's the draft ability that bugs me. A failed attack would be more costly now, since in the 2nd attack i would almost certainly face an extra drafted rifleman. And if a city flips, it won't have one worthless pukeman to defend it, but 2 riflemen. Troops garrisoned outside cities must be reinforced or they'll risk to fail to recapture a flipped city. And 12 knights outside Philadelphia are no more a victory guarantee.
Abe. You bastard. You really don't want to make it easy, don't you?
In the shot: Roman assaulting troops have just made a "pleasant" discovery...
Roman legions and longbows knock at the door of Pi-Ramesses, but are faced by a surprising resistance of the Egyptian forces. Those scumbags fight until death. 2 roman companies are lost and 3 badly damaged. Too much for 1 veteran spear and 2 regulars. Anyway, the last remnant of the Egyptian nation is now a province of the Roman Kingdom, and finally a leader has been created. The surviving soldiers are garrisoned into the town. The leader head north at full speed.
To the northern front, things are pretty straightforward now. No more time for scientific battle plans. No more times for strategic pauses between offensives. The leitmotif is only one: grab the rest of the American land as soon as possible. Cultural flip is a risk too high, and time cannot be wasted. Only the complete annexation of the United States of America will get rid of the cultural pressure problem.
The next target is Philadelphia. After the battle of New York, many mounted units need to be healed. They are sent south, to the safety of the military structures located in Forte Pizza. But 8 knight companies have just regained full strength and are ready to be sent back to the frontline. They are garrisoned on the plains outside Atlanta and put in hold for further orders.
Some troops are placed outside New York, ready to recapture the city in case of a revolt. 2 knights, 2 muskets, 1 longbow and 6 catapults. More than enough to withstand a skirmish. The catapults redline a wandering musket, a knight kill him. 2 elite knights are moved outside New York to join the blitz team. Rather than venturing directly in the American land, the blitz army is parked outside New York with the rest of the other troops, protected by 2 musket companies. 11 mounted units will be available for the blitz if New York stays loyal.
Reinforcements are on the way and slaves are re-deployed. Nothing else to do but end the turn and pray the RNG gods to be merciful...
1110AD - Dire news from the front
Once again, no town revolted, but New York was almost recaptured by the filthy americans. Frigates bombarding the city had a lucky strike: harbor destroyed and musket company damaged at half. A longbow attacks and is killed, the musketman is redlined but promoted elite. The remaining american musketman attacks, manage to redline the roman defender but is killed at least. New York is safe, and still in my hands.
Troops are re-deployed. The damaged musket in New York is sent to San Francisco where it will help in quelling the resistors. Fresh troops are stationed outside New York and Atlanta, ready to recapture the city. The "combat settler" is arrived (late), but will found a fort anyway, in which a barracks will be rushed ASAP. This way i'll have a location where to heal quickly wounded troops (Forte Pizza is now a little too distant). New York has functional barrack but healing troops there is too risky.
The leader is still struggling to arrive north as fast as he can. And 12 mounted companies are sent toward Philadelphia. They reach the open plains just outside the city. Next turn they'll strike. The companies are unprotected, thus prone to American skirmishes. I hope they won't hit too hard.
The turn ends... and nothing terrific happens. No city has revolted. The quelling in San Francisco proceed slowly. American boats continue to bombard the coast of New York. Abe, seriously, what's your problem? I'm swallowing your country as fast as a lightning and you find no better option than bombarding tiles with Frigates?. Oh, another boat has dropped some units on the just pillaged tile, north of New York. 2 muskets, 1 longbow, 1 archer. Still no sign of knights.
In the New World, Bob of the Iroquois had declared on Babylon and captured the city of Uruk. Now only the city Babylon is left, plus the small settlement of Niniveh south of the persian capital, Antioch. Bob has finally decided to annex what remains of the Babylonian core territory.
Now someone might start wondering... what are these "dire news" he's babbling about? Plain and simple, Philadelphia. Last turn, the visible defender was a veteran musketman. Now this musket has just turned into a rifleman.
America has just discovered Nationalism. Exactly what i didn't want to happen.
Seeing in perspective, things are even worse than what they may look like at a first glance. With nationalism, Abe can mobilize its population and draft extra units to defend their cities. I'm not worried by mobilization, it's the draft ability that bugs me. A failed attack would be more costly now, since in the 2nd attack i would almost certainly face an extra drafted rifleman. And if a city flips, it won't have one worthless pukeman to defend it, but 2 riflemen. Troops garrisoned outside cities must be reinforced or they'll risk to fail to recapture a flipped city. And 12 knights outside Philadelphia are no more a victory guarantee.
Abe. You bastard. You really don't want to make it easy, don't you?
In the shot: Roman assaulting troops have just made a "pleasant" discovery...
Shadow Phoenix
Warlord
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Egypt fought hard, but It gave you a lader ^_^...lol
Are you gonna wait for cossacs to fill the army?
Are you gonna wait for cossacs to fill the army?
Two things on rifles:
1) A Knight army will really help here. You bombard all you can, send in the army first to weaken further, then clean up with your single troops. Take city. Fortify the army 2-3 turns and it will rest as well getting to full strength before a flip may happen. Meanwhile you move everyone forward then move your army up and strike again. Rinse and repeat.
2) Get to *cannons* ASAP if you haven't already. Upgrade those cats to cannons and your bombard success on the cities will greatly increase as well as the damage you can give. Might be a little too late but you do have a barracks at the front which would make for quick upgrade.
1) A Knight army will really help here. You bombard all you can, send in the army first to weaken further, then clean up with your single troops. Take city. Fortify the army 2-3 turns and it will rest as well getting to full strength before a flip may happen. Meanwhile you move everyone forward then move your army up and strike again. Rinse and repeat.
2) Get to *cannons* ASAP if you haven't already. Upgrade those cats to cannons and your bombard success on the cities will greatly increase as well as the damage you can give. Might be a little too late but you do have a barracks at the front which would make for quick upgrade.
tR1cKy
taking over the world
@Shadow: yes, probably the best option is to wait until cavalries then fill the army. Knights are obsolete units now.
EDIT: crosspost with bonscott (sometimes it happens). I'll reply you in a new post quite soon.
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1120AD - Riding toward death with a smile
The leader arrives to Delphi where it finally builds an army. Yes, this time is really an army, i've checked carefully
The combat settler build its fort anyway. A handy healing station for wounded troops, even more useful now. The territory that Forte Diavolo has claimed will make possible for extra mounted units parked outside New York to come in support of the Philadelphia task force, if necessary.
The knight divisions are given the order to charge. Much blood will flow today.
The 1st unit kills a veteran rifle. Damaged but promoted. A lucky strike isn't a bad thing.
Another veteran rifle show up. This time 3 units are needed to dispose of it. The 1st is killed with no damage inflicted, the 2nd one is redlined, the 3rd wins and is promoted elite. Now a regular rifleman is visible.
A knight attack and dies. The rifle is redlined but promoted. Another regular rifle is visible, the 4th since now. Another knight attacks and dies, but the defender is redlined. This time the previously wounded unit show up. A veteran at 2/4. Good news for me.
Time to bring the elite units on the fight. The first kills the wounded rifle, exposing a redlined regular one. The second dies against the defender, who gets promoted veteran at 2/4. A third elite charges and wins, at least. Philadelphia is captured. Magellan's Voyage is in my hands now.
Casualties: 4 mounted units killed, 5 wounded, 3 still at full strength. 2 veteran riflemen and 2 regular were defending Philadelphia. These rifle had a defense value of 10.5, 12 if fortified. They fell too easily. I guess i've been blessed by some RNG whims... but i don't feel easy. When such things happens, usually an unfavourable event promptly show up to balance things.
The barracks in Forte Diavolo are rushed in this very same turn. 80 golds for the 1st 10 shields and 40 for the remaining 10. A costly option, but necessary. Wounded knights retreat in the safety of the fort, where they'll be healed 2 turns from now. Troops controlling New York are moved NE of the city, where they can bombard pesters and attack them without losing control on the city. Another musketman is sent in support to deal with potential skirmishers. Catapults deliver their blows, and 2 muskets are weakened. A longbow attack but is killed. The 3 knight companies charge, and manage to kill 2 muskets and 1 longbow. Two knight are damaged. The third is promoted elite at full hitpoints.
In Forte Pizza, 5 mounted units have healed. They are dispatched to Forte Diavolo where they may be useful in a lot of possible unpleasant situations.
Nothing else to report, apart from the usual movements of slaves and reinforcing troops. I end the turn, hoping that the RNG gods, won't screw me too much...
In the shot: the American front as today. Note the strategic importance of Forte Diavolo. From there, massive troops can be sent to recapture New York, Philadelphia and Atlanta should those cities flip back to Abe.
EDIT: crosspost with bonscott (sometimes it happens). I'll reply you in a new post quite soon.
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1120AD - Riding toward death with a smile
The leader arrives to Delphi where it finally builds an army. Yes, this time is really an army, i've checked carefully
The combat settler build its fort anyway. A handy healing station for wounded troops, even more useful now. The territory that Forte Diavolo has claimed will make possible for extra mounted units parked outside New York to come in support of the Philadelphia task force, if necessary.
The knight divisions are given the order to charge. Much blood will flow today.
The 1st unit kills a veteran rifle. Damaged but promoted. A lucky strike isn't a bad thing.
Another veteran rifle show up. This time 3 units are needed to dispose of it. The 1st is killed with no damage inflicted, the 2nd one is redlined, the 3rd wins and is promoted elite. Now a regular rifleman is visible.
A knight attack and dies. The rifle is redlined but promoted. Another regular rifle is visible, the 4th since now. Another knight attacks and dies, but the defender is redlined. This time the previously wounded unit show up. A veteran at 2/4. Good news for me.
Time to bring the elite units on the fight. The first kills the wounded rifle, exposing a redlined regular one. The second dies against the defender, who gets promoted veteran at 2/4. A third elite charges and wins, at least. Philadelphia is captured. Magellan's Voyage is in my hands now.
Casualties: 4 mounted units killed, 5 wounded, 3 still at full strength. 2 veteran riflemen and 2 regular were defending Philadelphia. These rifle had a defense value of 10.5, 12 if fortified. They fell too easily. I guess i've been blessed by some RNG whims... but i don't feel easy. When such things happens, usually an unfavourable event promptly show up to balance things.
The barracks in Forte Diavolo are rushed in this very same turn. 80 golds for the 1st 10 shields and 40 for the remaining 10. A costly option, but necessary. Wounded knights retreat in the safety of the fort, where they'll be healed 2 turns from now. Troops controlling New York are moved NE of the city, where they can bombard pesters and attack them without losing control on the city. Another musketman is sent in support to deal with potential skirmishers. Catapults deliver their blows, and 2 muskets are weakened. A longbow attack but is killed. The 3 knight companies charge, and manage to kill 2 muskets and 1 longbow. Two knight are damaged. The third is promoted elite at full hitpoints.
In Forte Pizza, 5 mounted units have healed. They are dispatched to Forte Diavolo where they may be useful in a lot of possible unpleasant situations.
Nothing else to report, apart from the usual movements of slaves and reinforcing troops. I end the turn, hoping that the RNG gods, won't screw me too much...
In the shot: the American front as today. Note the strategic importance of Forte Diavolo. From there, massive troops can be sent to recapture New York, Philadelphia and Atlanta should those cities flip back to Abe.
Zelda's Man
A Link to Something
When will you have calvary? Canons and calvary will likely be necessary to finish sweeping through America. Did Abe leave any improvements in the cities you captured, ie marketplaces, banks, courthouses, etc? It'll make those cities much more productive if you decided to rush your palace in one of them to decrease the risk of flipping. You'll need the gold and production to continue reinforcing your troops and keeping up in tech.
tR1cKy
taking over the world
Hi U all!
First, the promised reply to bonscott: your observation about barracks on the front is quite good. I have barracks in New York, but cannot use them, the risk of flip is too high. And i don't have 2-3 turns. The grace period is only 1 turn, after what the city may flip. That's why i've founded a fort (Forte Diavolo) in which a barracks has been rushed in the very same turn. Not only it provides a safe place for a quick heal, but its position allow troops to be sent in any city at risk of flip.
Now, a few words about the situation. No cannons and no cavalry at the moment. I don't know Metallurgy yet. I count on having it next turn, when the current agreement with Greece expires. I count on Alex to award me with Metallurgy in return of some resources and some gold per turn. Of course, catapults will be upgraded ASAP.
Zelda's suggest me to use a productive city to move my capital. Yes, New York would be perfect for this purpose. Moreover, by moving my capital there i would also solve almost all my cultural pressure problems. But it's a risky business. The relocation would cause a significant drop in the outcome of my current core territory (around Athens). If a second leader isn't created i cannot move my capital back to Athens. Tough decision.
About the strategy to follow from now, two main options are possible. The first is: wait for metallurgy, upgrade the catapults, move a stack of knights, cannon and muskets and attack the city with the support of artillery. A minimum of 2 turns for the upgrade, 4 for the capture of Chicago and 2 more for Washington.
The next is to renounce to the support of artillery and go directly with knights. Casualties would be higher, but Washington could be captured in 2 turns and Chicago in 3, assuming there are enough troops for an immediate 2nd attack.
Speed vs. firepower+defense.
Every turn my conquered cities are prone to flipping. This would suggest a fast attack. But the probability of a failure is higher. Another tough decision.
First, the promised reply to bonscott: your observation about barracks on the front is quite good. I have barracks in New York, but cannot use them, the risk of flip is too high. And i don't have 2-3 turns. The grace period is only 1 turn, after what the city may flip. That's why i've founded a fort (Forte Diavolo) in which a barracks has been rushed in the very same turn. Not only it provides a safe place for a quick heal, but its position allow troops to be sent in any city at risk of flip.
Now, a few words about the situation. No cannons and no cavalry at the moment. I don't know Metallurgy yet. I count on having it next turn, when the current agreement with Greece expires. I count on Alex to award me with Metallurgy in return of some resources and some gold per turn. Of course, catapults will be upgraded ASAP.
Zelda's suggest me to use a productive city to move my capital. Yes, New York would be perfect for this purpose. Moreover, by moving my capital there i would also solve almost all my cultural pressure problems. But it's a risky business. The relocation would cause a significant drop in the outcome of my current core territory (around Athens). If a second leader isn't created i cannot move my capital back to Athens. Tough decision.
About the strategy to follow from now, two main options are possible. The first is: wait for metallurgy, upgrade the catapults, move a stack of knights, cannon and muskets and attack the city with the support of artillery. A minimum of 2 turns for the upgrade, 4 for the capture of Chicago and 2 more for Washington.
The next is to renounce to the support of artillery and go directly with knights. Casualties would be higher, but Washington could be captured in 2 turns and Chicago in 3, assuming there are enough troops for an immediate 2nd attack.
Speed vs. firepower+defense.
Every turn my conquered cities are prone to flipping. This would suggest a fast attack. But the probability of a failure is higher. Another tough decision.
I suggest this strat as I've used it a lot:
I'd go fast and take as much as you can. Why? Obviously the quicker you can knock out the Americans the better. Heavy causulties are fine at this point. Again why for those playing and learning along at home? Because even if every single knight is lost, if you can take every American city you'll have the whole continent to yourself and won't have a security issue for a while. Thus you can take your time rebuilding your military, this time directly with Cavs. They key for those reading is that even though your military might suffer a huge blow it's ok since you'll secure your homeland and won't have to worry about invasions for a while.
In the meantime during your fast push, work on plan B with upgrades to cannon and move them forward as quickly as possible with musket escort. Most likely even with a fast plan you'll have at least the last American city or perhaps 2 that you can use the cannon's on.
Personally I would bother with moving your palace. Not really worth it at this point. If you have enough cities after taking the last remaining American ones you should be able to build the Forbidden Palace and can put that in New York or more likely Washington since it's centraly located in the north. Good spot for it.
I'd go fast and take as much as you can. Why? Obviously the quicker you can knock out the Americans the better. Heavy causulties are fine at this point. Again why for those playing and learning along at home? Because even if every single knight is lost, if you can take every American city you'll have the whole continent to yourself and won't have a security issue for a while. Thus you can take your time rebuilding your military, this time directly with Cavs. They key for those reading is that even though your military might suffer a huge blow it's ok since you'll secure your homeland and won't have to worry about invasions for a while.
In the meantime during your fast push, work on plan B with upgrades to cannon and move them forward as quickly as possible with musket escort. Most likely even with a fast plan you'll have at least the last American city or perhaps 2 that you can use the cannon's on.
Personally I would bother with moving your palace. Not really worth it at this point. If you have enough cities after taking the last remaining American ones you should be able to build the Forbidden Palace and can put that in New York or more likely Washington since it's centraly located in the north. Good spot for it.
tR1cKy
taking over the world
Good strategy bonscott, i was thinking on something likely. Go fast, but prepare for an eventual attack with artillery support. Of course i'll try to get metallurgy from the greeks and upgrade my catapults ASAP. Even if they won't be used to obliterate the americans, they'll come handy for recapturing a flipped city.
About the FP, well, it's been built over a millennium ago, in Thebes. My capital was Roma and i was suffering some corruption penalty, so i used my first leader to rush the FP in Thebes. Not good in the long run, but essential in short term. I had Thebes instantly reaching 10 shield per turn, thus producing an archer in 2 turns or a legion in 3.
I've used the different opinions on the stragegy to be followed now to write some "creative" stuff. A dissertation on strategy made in an unusual way. I'll post it tonight. Seeya guyz!
About the FP, well, it's been built over a millennium ago, in Thebes. My capital was Roma and i was suffering some corruption penalty, so i used my first leader to rush the FP in Thebes. Not good in the long run, but essential in short term. I had Thebes instantly reaching 10 shield per turn, thus producing an archer in 2 turns or a legion in 3.
I've used the different opinions on the stragegy to be followed now to write some "creative" stuff. A dissertation on strategy made in an unusual way. I'll post it tonight. Seeya guyz!
Eastian
Chieftain
Can't wait to see what's coming!
Rebeljoe
Chieftain
Hi, first post here. I've been reading this thread for several days now. It's been very...mesmerizing. Not only is the story a good one, but there are lessons here for newbies, and regulars alike.
I look forward to the next update.
Joe
I look forward to the next update.
Joe
tR1cKy
taking over the world
EDIT: The date was wrong. It's 1130 not 1120. Corrected
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@Rebeljoe: welcome to CivFanatics' Forums!
And thank you very much for appreciating this game log. More interesting stuff in on the way, this time i've gone a little "off style". Keep reading!
@Eastian: ... and here you are! Not a battle, but the preliminary plans. Don't worry, the carnage is coming soon.
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1130AD - Operation Jessie James, phase three
"Counselor. The decision is difficult to take. We could wait for better support troops or we could strike as fast as we can in Washington and Chicago. I am assuming that both of us understand very well the pros and cons of both option. We are called to choose one of the two."
"Caesar, i've thought about the situation the whole day, and it's quite complicated. First, we should expect stronger defenses in Washington. No less than 5 of those rifle companies reported from our communications from the front. They are bothersome."
"Are you sure of that? Those 'new firearms' may be only a bluff. General Gaius has overcomed them almost too easily."
"No, they aren't. Our master of arms were been able to put the hands on some of these 'rifles'. Well, they are quite respectful. Powerful and precise. A top quality firearm. So evoluted that our tecnology prevent us from using them in battle."
"How is it possible?"
"First, they cannot be replicated. There are some parts that we aren't able to produce with our current metallurgy knowledge. Second, the ammunition. Too costly and complicated for mass production at the moment. A musket with nothing to shot with is worthless. And third, our musketmen would need to be trained again in the use of those new firearms, a slow process, since it would be the first time that such a course would take place..."
"Ok. Enough of that. You have explained well why those rifles cannot be used in combat by our troops. So what? You still have to address my doubts about the effective power of those new firearms. Actually, you are strenghtening them. American may be facing the same troubles as us. The victory of Philadelphia could be seen as a proof."
"Caesar, don't count on that twice. Those weapons had just been delivered and those defending musketmen were not only cowards but also unexperienced. Next time we'll meet them in battle they won't be so easy to kill."
"You have no proof on that. Only speculations."
"Yes. Speculations of a Military Advisor that hasn't made a single mistake since he's in charge."
"Ok, good point. But don't forget that everyone make mistakes sometimes. I did some. Your predecessors did. You can be in error as well. You're human after all."
"This time i'm not mistaken, Caesar. I cannot be. Trust me. As you did since today."
"Then, what are you suggesting?"
"Caesar, i've served the Crown for long time, and i've learned to interpret the will of our King, even when he actually says nothing. You have already decided for the 'fast option', aren't you?"
"Perhaps, Counselor. Perhaps. I've already changed my mind in past times. Nothing is decided by now. Let's say that i reserve my definitive decision once you've expressed in full your opinion about that matter. And you still have to do it. I'm a busy man, you know. I cannot stick in this conversation forever. Now, PLEASE. Express your opinion without regrets. Fully. And clearly. Now."
The military advisor took a deep breath.
"Ok. In my opinion, a fast attack on Washington and Chicago is the best course of action..."
"WHAT! You argued with me for so long only to say that you AGREE with my point of view?!?"
"Caesar, be patient. The best course of action, but not now. Our divisions are not enough to guarantee us a victory. And a failed attack would be disastrous. Then, we must do nothing for now. Just sit idle and wait for reinforcements. Next season our troops will be enough, but since then we need to have our forces gathered in our key points and nothing more. Once we have the necessary numbers, we can send our cavalry killing. Care to see my proposed battle plan?"
"Of course."
The most powerful man in the Roman Kingdom stayed silent while the 2nd most powerful man unwrapped a big map of the American territory, almost filled with arrows, figures and scribble.
"We'll have our cavalry crossing the border here. They'll advance in American territory following this path, and gather here. Well, this is the dangerous part of the plan. The gathering point is on open terrain, and they will be vulnerable to preemptive attacks by the Americans, but if we want to hit them as fast as possible it's unavoidable. The next move will be a first strike on Washington, just to test their defenses. Then, depending on the situation, we can concentrate our attack on Washington or send part of our cavalry to deal with Chicago."
"Do you think we will be able to strike at the two cities in the same time?"
"Honestly, no."
"Then, our units will be compelled to gather at Washington and regain strength before attacking Chicago."
"It's not said. We should have enough reinforcements arriving in time to strike at Chicago without waiting for our troops deployed in Washington to heal completely."
"Should?"
"Exactly. Should. We are not certain. New York and Philadelphia are two barrels of black powder ready to explode. If those cities revolt, some of our units will be necessary to recapture them, unless we want our communication lines to be broken when we need them more."
"Good, Counselor. A plan with some guts. Risks are great but necessary if we want to strike fast. Now, leave me alone with my burden. I must decide of the destiny of thousands of fellow Roman soldiers, and whatever will be my choice, it will be painful."
"As your wish, Caesar."
The 54th Caesar of the Roman Kingdom sat on its throne. It was cold, and uncomfortable. Too many times the ruler of Rome would have preferred to sit on something else. But it was unavoidable. Every man and woman in the Kingdom had to fulfill their tasks, king included. Stressed, he choosed to dedicate himself of some less burdening tasks. An american mounted company dare to venture into our occupied territory. No need to worry, our generals will dispose of them. The city of Tenochtitlan was emptied at last, and a new city was ready to be founded. Settlers were only awaiting for the order to come from Athens. The king took a pen and paper foil, and scribbled the order on it.
"Messenger!" - he called. Now, if only things could be always so easy...
In the shot: the battle plan for Washington and Chicago.
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@Rebeljoe: welcome to CivFanatics' Forums!
And thank you very much for appreciating this game log. More interesting stuff in on the way, this time i've gone a little "off style". Keep reading!
@Eastian: ... and here you are! Not a battle, but the preliminary plans. Don't worry, the carnage is coming soon.
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1130AD - Operation Jessie James, phase three
"Counselor. The decision is difficult to take. We could wait for better support troops or we could strike as fast as we can in Washington and Chicago. I am assuming that both of us understand very well the pros and cons of both option. We are called to choose one of the two."
"Caesar, i've thought about the situation the whole day, and it's quite complicated. First, we should expect stronger defenses in Washington. No less than 5 of those rifle companies reported from our communications from the front. They are bothersome."
"Are you sure of that? Those 'new firearms' may be only a bluff. General Gaius has overcomed them almost too easily."
"No, they aren't. Our master of arms were been able to put the hands on some of these 'rifles'. Well, they are quite respectful. Powerful and precise. A top quality firearm. So evoluted that our tecnology prevent us from using them in battle."
"How is it possible?"
"First, they cannot be replicated. There are some parts that we aren't able to produce with our current metallurgy knowledge. Second, the ammunition. Too costly and complicated for mass production at the moment. A musket with nothing to shot with is worthless. And third, our musketmen would need to be trained again in the use of those new firearms, a slow process, since it would be the first time that such a course would take place..."
"Ok. Enough of that. You have explained well why those rifles cannot be used in combat by our troops. So what? You still have to address my doubts about the effective power of those new firearms. Actually, you are strenghtening them. American may be facing the same troubles as us. The victory of Philadelphia could be seen as a proof."
"Caesar, don't count on that twice. Those weapons had just been delivered and those defending musketmen were not only cowards but also unexperienced. Next time we'll meet them in battle they won't be so easy to kill."
"You have no proof on that. Only speculations."
"Yes. Speculations of a Military Advisor that hasn't made a single mistake since he's in charge."
"Ok, good point. But don't forget that everyone make mistakes sometimes. I did some. Your predecessors did. You can be in error as well. You're human after all."
"This time i'm not mistaken, Caesar. I cannot be. Trust me. As you did since today."
"Then, what are you suggesting?"
"Caesar, i've served the Crown for long time, and i've learned to interpret the will of our King, even when he actually says nothing. You have already decided for the 'fast option', aren't you?"
"Perhaps, Counselor. Perhaps. I've already changed my mind in past times. Nothing is decided by now. Let's say that i reserve my definitive decision once you've expressed in full your opinion about that matter. And you still have to do it. I'm a busy man, you know. I cannot stick in this conversation forever. Now, PLEASE. Express your opinion without regrets. Fully. And clearly. Now."
The military advisor took a deep breath.
"Ok. In my opinion, a fast attack on Washington and Chicago is the best course of action..."
"WHAT! You argued with me for so long only to say that you AGREE with my point of view?!?"
"Caesar, be patient. The best course of action, but not now. Our divisions are not enough to guarantee us a victory. And a failed attack would be disastrous. Then, we must do nothing for now. Just sit idle and wait for reinforcements. Next season our troops will be enough, but since then we need to have our forces gathered in our key points and nothing more. Once we have the necessary numbers, we can send our cavalry killing. Care to see my proposed battle plan?"
"Of course."
The most powerful man in the Roman Kingdom stayed silent while the 2nd most powerful man unwrapped a big map of the American territory, almost filled with arrows, figures and scribble.
"We'll have our cavalry crossing the border here. They'll advance in American territory following this path, and gather here. Well, this is the dangerous part of the plan. The gathering point is on open terrain, and they will be vulnerable to preemptive attacks by the Americans, but if we want to hit them as fast as possible it's unavoidable. The next move will be a first strike on Washington, just to test their defenses. Then, depending on the situation, we can concentrate our attack on Washington or send part of our cavalry to deal with Chicago."
"Do you think we will be able to strike at the two cities in the same time?"
"Honestly, no."
"Then, our units will be compelled to gather at Washington and regain strength before attacking Chicago."
"It's not said. We should have enough reinforcements arriving in time to strike at Chicago without waiting for our troops deployed in Washington to heal completely."
"Should?"
"Exactly. Should. We are not certain. New York and Philadelphia are two barrels of black powder ready to explode. If those cities revolt, some of our units will be necessary to recapture them, unless we want our communication lines to be broken when we need them more."
"Good, Counselor. A plan with some guts. Risks are great but necessary if we want to strike fast. Now, leave me alone with my burden. I must decide of the destiny of thousands of fellow Roman soldiers, and whatever will be my choice, it will be painful."
"As your wish, Caesar."
The 54th Caesar of the Roman Kingdom sat on its throne. It was cold, and uncomfortable. Too many times the ruler of Rome would have preferred to sit on something else. But it was unavoidable. Every man and woman in the Kingdom had to fulfill their tasks, king included. Stressed, he choosed to dedicate himself of some less burdening tasks. An american mounted company dare to venture into our occupied territory. No need to worry, our generals will dispose of them. The city of Tenochtitlan was emptied at last, and a new city was ready to be founded. Settlers were only awaiting for the order to come from Athens. The king took a pen and paper foil, and scribbled the order on it.
"Messenger!" - he called. Now, if only things could be always so easy...
In the shot: the battle plan for Washington and Chicago.
akkkkk! what did you do THAT for?!? this story was going well until now.....
maybe it is just me, but I cannot read those "stories and tales" posts because of all the 'fictional' elements in them. I thought the way you were doing it before was far more entertaining than ANY post I have attempted to sit through in the stories and tales forum. if you stick with what you were doing, maybe some others will catch on....
maybe it is just me, but I cannot read those "stories and tales" posts because of all the 'fictional' elements in them. I thought the way you were doing it before was far more entertaining than ANY post I have attempted to sit through in the stories and tales forum. if you stick with what you were doing, maybe some others will catch on....
Zelda's Man
A Link to Something
"Tell the knights to ride like there is no tomorrow...unfortunately, for many of them there won't be..."
"This battle will be for the greater good of Rome. Their children and their children's children will live better lives for the sacrifices made on this battlefield."
"The American scum do nothing but polute our culture with vile images and practices. The longer we wait, the more their culture will eat into our way of life. They infect us daily and it cannot go on! We must rid this land -that is rightly ours- of these vermin. May Zues/Jupiter prepare our way!"
"This battle will be for the greater good of Rome. Their children and their children's children will live better lives for the sacrifices made on this battlefield."
"The American scum do nothing but polute our culture with vile images and practices. The longer we wait, the more their culture will eat into our way of life. They infect us daily and it cannot go on! We must rid this land -that is rightly ours- of these vermin. May Zues/Jupiter prepare our way!"
