Nuclear deal reached with Iran!

[Mouthwash]

This happened just an hour ago. It doesn't recognize Iran's right to enrich uranium.

According to the accord, Iran would agree to stop enriching uranium beyond 5 percent. To make good on that pledge, Iran would dismantle the links between networks of centrifuges.

All of Iran’s stockpile of uranium that has been enriched to 20 percent, a short hop to weapons-grade fuel, would be diluted or converted into oxide so that it could not be readily used for military purposes.

No new centrifuges, neither old models nor newer more efficient ones, could be installed. Centrifuges that have been installed but which are not currently operating — Iran has more than 8,000 such centrifuges — could not be started up. No new enrichment facilities could be established.

The agreement, however, would not require Iran to stop enriching uranium to a level of 3.5 percent or dismantle any of its existing centrifuges.

 

[Daird]

Well, if the Iranians hold up their end of the deal, I think it's all well and good from here on out. Hate to say it, though, but that's a big if.

 

[timtofly]

So Obama gives them a 7 billion boost and they are still on crack but a shorter leash.

 

[Mouthwash]

Live stream of John Kerry right nao.

 

[Thedrin]

The deal ends in 6 months so, as things stand, Iran has agreed to only temporarily halt enrichment beyond 5%.

 

[KmDubya]

Do you think it will be viewed by future generations as our version of Sudetenland?

At least no one has said "peace in our time"

 

[Silurian]

A country that has nuclear weapons but has not signed the NPT has condemed the agreement.

 

[Borachio]

Do you think it will be viewed by future generations as our version of Sudetenland?

At least no one has said "peace in our time"

Hmm. I'm not sure.

Does Iran have any outstanding disputes over territory? Does it have an expansionsist agenda?

Does its leadership consistently tell lies?

 

[Silurian]

Hmm. I'm not sure.

Does Iran have any outstanding disputes over territory? Does it have an expansionsist agenda?

Does its leadership consistently tell lies?

when did it last start a war with anybody.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

when did it last start a war with anybody.

Do proxie wars through Hezbollah count?

But all in all, i don't think anyone can acuse the Iranians of being expansionist or imperialistic.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Do you think it will be viewed by future generations as our version of Sudetenland?

At least no one has said "peace in our time"

Yeah, cause negotiat'ns fer wimps.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Yeah, cause negotiat'ns fer wimps.

Yeah, I have no idea where this notion that a nuclear deal with Iran is a bad thing is coming from.

 

[Goodfella]

Damn, Godwin's law on only the sixth post!

 

[Silurian]

Do proxie wars through Hezbollah count?

But all in all, i don't think anyone can acuse the Iranians of being expansionist or imperialistic.

Hezbollah did not exist before Israel invaded Lebanon.
The Lebanese army could not resist the IDF so a malitia was formed

From USA#1

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

 

[Tahuti]

Yeah, I have no idea where this notion that a nuclear deal with Iran is a bad thing is coming from.

Well, the main concern is that Iran will not be holding onto its end of the bargain. Given that past Iranian leaders vowed to destroy Israel, and Rowhani has not recanted this position, it is quite understandable that Israel is opposed.

That said, I think the nuclear deal in principle is a good thing and I also think that given time, Israel and Iran will get over it.

Hezbollah did not exist before Israel invaded Lebanon.
The Lebanese army could not resist the IDF so a malitia was formed

Hezbollah was formed in the heat of the Lebanese civil war as a front for Shi'a interests. While Israel's invasion obviously had something to do, it was hardly the only thing. Also, the Lebanese army was unwilling to face the IDF: Maronites were largely sympathetic to Israel and played no small part in the Lebanese armed forces.

 

[Thedrin]

Well, the main concern is that Iran will not be holding onto its end of the bargain. Given that past Iranian leaders vowed to destroy Israel, and Rowhani has not recanted this position, it is quite understandable that Israel is opposed.

Rowhani is not the leader of Iran.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Well, the main concern is that Iran will not be holding onto its end of the bargain. Given that past Iranian leaders vowed to destroy Israel, and Rowhani has not recanted this position, it is quite understandable that Israel is opposed.

They have done nothing of the sort! Their issue is with the government not the people, just as it is with the US. But it isn't surprising in the least that you continue to perpetuate that nonsense, while ignoring that the present Israeli government and quite possibly even the current US government, like the previous one, also want to overthrow the Iranian government.

It is quite clear who the aggressors actually are here. Advocating harsh economic sanctions against Iran while ignoring Israel's own nuclear arsenal and abysmal human rights record is just more of the usual blatant hypocrisy.

 

[Borachio]

Ahmadinejad was the subject of controversy in 2005 when one of his statements, given during "The World Without Zionism" conference in Tehran, was translated to suggest Israel should be "wiped off the map,"[74] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing,"[75] or "destroy completely".[76] The story was picked up by Western news agencies and quickly made headlines around the world.[77][citation needed] On 30 October, The New York Times published a full transcript of the speech in which Ahmadinejad was quoted:

Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.[78]

The Iranian presidential website stated: "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map." [79]
Translation[edit]

The "wiped of the map" translation originated from the state-controlled Islamic Republic News Agency.[80] This translation's use in the media has been criticized.[81] Arash Norouzi, artist and co-founder of The Mossadegh Project, says the statement "wiped off the map" did not exist in the original speech and that Ahmadinejad directed his comment toward the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi's translation of the Persian quote reads; "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[82] Juan Cole, historian of the Middle East and South Asia, concurs; Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)," noting that there is no Persian idiom to wipe something off the map.[83] Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#.22Wiped_off_the_map.22_controversy

It's an interesting case. But since the mistranslation originated with the Islamic Republic News Agency, perhaps they've only themselves to blame.

 

[Mouthwash]

A country that has nuclear weapons but has not signed the NPT has condemed the agreement.

Traitorfish asks why I constantly talk about Israel.

Hmm. I'm not sure.

Does Iran have any outstanding disputes over territory? Does it have an expansionsist agenda?

Does its leadership consistently tell lies?

It does. It wants to control Iraq and the Persian Gulf, not to mention Syria and Lebanon... Israel seems like just a distraction for them.

 

[Silurian]

Traitorfish asks why I constantly talk about Israel.

I did not use the word Israel.
I note that you do not disagree with my statement.

It does. It wants to control Iraq and the Persian Gulf, not to mention Syria and Lebanon... Israel seems like just a distraction for them.

One Million Iranians died or were wounded when Iraq attacked Iran.