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As some of you may know, there is a dispute over the sanctions in Iran. I'll admit it. I used to be in favor of these sanctions. But as they've continued and not a damn thing has changed, maybe they need to go. But republicans think otherwise.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-senators-letter-to-iran-intensifies-dispute-with-white-house/2015/03/09/c873d354-c68a-11e4-a199-6cb5e63819d2_story.html

An already heated battle between the White House and Republicans over negotiations to curtail Iran’s nuclear program grew more tense Monday when 47 Republican senators sent a letter to Iran designed to kill any potential deal.

The White House responded by accusing the Republicans of conspiring with Iranian hard-liners, who oppose the delicate negotiations, and suggesting that their goal was to push the United States into a military conflict.

“I think it’s somewhat ironic to see some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hard-liners in Iran,” President Obama said a few hours after the letter was made public. “It’s an unusual coalition.”

Vice President Biden blasted the letter as “beneath the dignity of an institution I revere.”

“In 36 years in the United States Senate, I cannot recall another instance in which Senators wrote directly to advise another country — much less a longtime foreign adversary — that the President does not have the constitutional authority to reach a meaningful understanding with them,” Biden said in a statement.
Obama calls Republican letter on Iran ‘somewhat ironic’(0:39)
President Obama says it was "somewhat ironic" that Republican senators wrote a letter to Iranian leaders warning them about a potential nuclear deal with the United States. (Reuters)

The letter, written by Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), suggests that any deal between Obama and the Iranian leadership would amount to only an “executive agreement” that could be undone by Congress or a future president. “The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time,” states the letter which was first reported by Bloomberg View.

The Republican signatories dismissed Obama’s assertion that they are cozying up to Iranian hard-liners.

“I think that’s a laughable charge coming from this administration,” said Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska), who signed the letter. He said the administration’s rush to secure a deal with Iran had led it to dismiss Congress’s concerns.

Administration officials insisted that the president doesn’t need congressional approval to make a deal with Iran and that Congress wouldn’t be able to alter the terms of a deal. “There are several inaccuracies in the letter about how things work,” said State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki.

Iran’s foreign minister, meanwhile, dismissed the letter as “mostly a propaganda ploy.”

The Republican outreach to Tehran’s leaders comes at a critical juncture in the negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program. Obama has said that Iran must agree to the outline of an accord by the end of March or further talks would be pointless.

It also comes only a week after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu denounced the Obama administration’s nuclear negotiations in a rousing speech before a joint meeting of Congress. Netanyahu spoke at the invitation of House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), who didn’t consult with the White House or Democrats in Congress before issuing the invitation.
Reid calls Republican letter to Iran 'petty'(4:26)
Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) criticized a letter signed by 47 Senate Republicans warning Iranian leaders against negotiations with the Obama administration, saying the letter "is the kind of pettiness that diminishes us as a country." (C-SPAN)

[Netanyahu says U.S. is on verge of ‘bad deal’ with Iran over nuclear program]

The White House derided that invitation as a breach of protocol designed to undercut the president’s ability to conduct foreign policy. On Monday, White House press secretary Josh Earnest described Cotton’s letter as a “continuation” of a partisan strategy designed to push the United States into a military conflict with Iran that would, at best, delay the Iranian program for only a few years.

“The rush to war or at least the rush to the military option that many Republicans are advocating is not at all in the best interest of the United States,” he said.

The deal being negotiated with Iran would limit its capacity to enrich uranium to the point that, if Iranian leaders decided to kick out inspectors, it would take the country at least a year to produce enough fuel for a bomb.

Iran would also have to commit to intrusive inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency over the course of the agreement. The United States initially asked Iran to agree to limitations on its nuclear program lasting 15 to 20 years, but Tehran has pressed for a shorter period.

Obama has suggested in recent days that a deal could be imminent. “I think it is fair to say that there is an urgency because we now have been negotiating for well over a year,” he said in an interview with CBS News that aired Sunday.

If Iranians agree to the deal and abide by the inspections regime, the White House could start to ease economic sanctions, which have crippled Iran’s economy, in the coming months and years. Lifting all American sanctions on Iran would require congressional action.

Cotton, an Iraq war veteran and national security hawk, characterized his letter as a remedial civics lesson designed to educate Iran’s mullahs on the limits of presidential power. “Many Iran experts say that Iran’s leaders don’t understand our Constitution,” Cotton said in an interview with Fox News Channel.

Cotton tweeted his letter at Iranian officials and encouraged Democrats, including presumptive presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton, to add their signatures.

“We already have four senators on the letter who were thinking about running for president,” said Cotton, who later added: “I’ve spoken privately with other presidential candidates who might join us.”

The letter drew widespread derision from Democrats, who blasted it as an amateurish attempt to torpedo the negotiations.

“This is not a time to undermine our commander in chief purely out of spite,” Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) said Monday afternoon in an impassioned 10-minute speech attacking the Republican intervention. “We should always have robust debate about foreign policy, but it’s unprecedented for one political party to directly intervene in an international negotiation with the sole goal of embarrassing the president of the United States.”

Other Democrats agreed. “This letter only serves one purpose — to destroy an ongoing negotiation to reach a diplomatic agreement in its closing days,” said Sen Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said in a tweet that he was “beyond appalled” by the letter.

It’s unclear what impact the letter will have on the delicate negotiations.

Some prominent Republicans, including Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), the Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, declined to sign Cotton’s letter. An aide to the senator said he’s focused on building support for a bipartisan bill that would require Congress to review any nuclear agreement with Iran. The president has said he would veto such a bill.
 
“I think it’s somewhat ironic to see some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hard-liners in Iran,” President Obama said a few hours after the letter was made public. “It’s an unusual coalition.”

stfu Obama, you're sounding like a demagogic Republican
 
The Iranians, like the rest of the world, aren't stupid enough to make a deal anyway. The Republicans are going to run another 'war on Iran' candidate next year, and their last one got 48% of the popular vote. If they fail again they will try again in five years. Until there is a solid indication that the American people will not elect a war on Iran candidate, ever, no agreement is worth the paper it would be written on, and that's that. The American people have clearly demonstrated that we can disavow any responsibility for foreign adventurism just by changing administrations, so basically no one can trust us.
 
The congress versus president theme started since 1994 when President Bill Clinton and House Speaker Newt Gingrich disagreed upon each other. Since then, the bipartisan efforts had been much harder to achieve than ever before.


This photo makes the discussion more realistic.
 
“I think it’s somewhat ironic to see some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hard-liners in Iran,” President Obama said a few hours after the letter was made public. “It’s an unusual coalition.”

stfu Obama, you're sounding like a demagogic Republican

One of the mildest and most polite reputes (?) that a President has made.
Republicans were quite happy to scream and rave that even "Questioning a president while at war was unpatriotic". :mischief:
 
“I think it’s somewhat ironic to see some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hard-liners in Iran,” President Obama said a few hours after the letter was made public. “It’s an unusual coalition.”
It's unusual to pretend to not be on board with the plan.
 
That Kyoto Treaty that Clinton signed meant squat because Congress didn't ratify it.

Whether it was appropriate for Congress to give a civics lesson depends on whether the Iran "deal" being negotiated is a legally binding treaty or not.
 
The congress versus president theme started since 1994 when President Bill Clinton and House Speaker Newt Gingrich disagreed upon each other. Since then, the bipartisan efforts had been much harder to achieve than ever before.

Those two worked together fairly well. It helped that they met and talked on a regular basis.

J
 
One of the mildest and most polite reputes (?) that a President has made. Republicans were quite happy to scream and rave that even "Questioning a president while at war was unpatriotic". :mischief:

a prez accusing opponents of an allegiance with Iranian terrorists is neither mild or polite, its the sort of crap I've come to expect from Repugs.
 
a prez accusing opponents of an allegiance with Iranian terrorists is neither mild or polite, its the sort of crap I've come to expect from Repugs.

Between, secret Muslim, death panels, appeaser, socialist, communist, raciest and not loving America. You Republicans are now suddenly outraged that Obama would very politely say that Republicans are now undermining negotiations which only helps Iranian hardliners. :mischief:

What next Obama didnt say "Act of terror" and four Americans were killed in Benghazi. Obama is disrespecting our military by ordering them to hold an umbera ?
With the way the US is going I expect Republicans to take control over all three branches of government having been "rewarded" by the voters for these antics, dirty tactics, and hardball politics while the democrats are look down as cowards, spineless and weak.
 
Republicans telling the wold that the USA is utterly untrustworthy and won't honor its treaties ?
I think that's the first time I've seen this party being honest.
 
You forgot to mention the absurd acquisition made by some parties that the Cotton letter was an illegal violation of the Logan Act. Just wanted to throw that in to demonstrate that drama exists on both sides.
 
Interesting pen pal the GOP has there.
The Republicans in this case just seem like a crazy stay at home wife that calls your friends your neighbours and tries to convince them that you're a crack dealer.


To the contrary, it was one of the better better political moves of the last year, either party.

J
 
You forgot to mention the absurd acquisition made by some parties that the Cotton letter was an illegal violation of the Logan Act. Just wanted to throw that in to demonstrate that drama exists on both sides.

Wikipedia said:
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

I'm not a foreign policy expert, but sending a letter to a foreign government saying that any deal between the US and that government is the equivalent of a handshake agreement, seems like it intends to influence the conduct of said government.
 
I'm not a foreign policy expert, but sending a letter to a foreign government saying that any deal between the US and that government is the equivalent of a handshake agreement, seems like it intends to influence the conduct of said government.
Its not a matter of whether they violated the Logan Act. Clearly they violated the Logan Act.

The question is whether it makes sense to prosecute them for violating it because... well... its an old law... also, is it practical to put 47 US Senators in jail for 3 years? I mean technically they could do it, because they are red-hands guilty of violating the law, but c'mon. You're gonna' basically send all the opposing party Senators to jail?:nope: It would just seem like partisan hackery.
 
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