Che Guava
The Juicy Revolutionary
Well, i seem to recall some verses about how a man had already committed adultry with a women if he had lust for her in his heart. That to me seems to put importance of sin in the thought, rather than the action.
Obama most liberal candidate? Seems so.
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Well, i seem to recall some verses about how a man had already committed adultry with a women if he had lust for her in his heart. That to me seems to put importance of sin in the thought, rather than the action.
Well, Reverend Ted Haggard had a lot of love in his heart, and see where it got him?
Oh wait, that's lust too, nevermind.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Please. Even I know this - it's not a matter of prohibiting judgement of actions of a person itself, but doing so in a spirit of arrogance. And telling people that they should follow their religion in a particular way, regardless if it is true or not, is extremely arrogant - especially since you are not a member yourself. More bluntly, you cannot tell a group of people that they are heretics when you are a heretic yourself.
You cannot be concerned with the faults of others and ignore your own more serious offenses - and this is pretty much what literally every American Evangical on these forums do, including yourself. And you have quite a many faults.
Actually, Bill, my mens group covered this exact thing last night, and you prove the exact problem of doing so. People are just too prone to be offended or see such a thing as arrogant, when it isnt. Pointing out someones inconsistency isnt meant to rub their face in it, but to correct their behavior. To give them a chance to recognize what they are doing and change. But as you just demonstrated, a fool hates their rebuke, while a wise man listens.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
It makes the point of whats in a mans heart is important, but it doesnt lessen the impact of the action itselt. The two are not mutually exclusive at all. Its just as much a sin to do it as to desire it in your heart. Thats the point.
Wow, this topic sure drifted.
As to the OP, it looks like consensus says that the article is wrong.
As to the OP, it looks like consensus says that the article is wrong.
The article is correct, but it's a matter of perspective. Obama is the most liberal candidate during the 2006 calendar year. Kerry, way back when, was the most liberal candidate of that calendar year. It all goes by votes on legislation/amendments during the year.
I'm sure someone will show us the conservative/liberal rankings of the candidates based on votes taken throughout their political career, as opposed to a snapshot of a single year.
PrincepsAmerica
Nothingness made flesh
What the hell does this mean anyway? Religion is like any other part of one's identity, if you take a vow and/or engage in ceremonies where certain beliefs and submission of will to an authority are involved of course you are obliged to keep your vows; just as much as when you take an oath on the stand in a courtroom or anywhere else at least.
How would it make sense to continue to identify yourself by that name and yet reject the authority which is the basis of that entire identity? (In theory that is, again I don't think we're talking about any definite issue here so it's all kind of vague.)
Haven't the last six years' bills contained massive amounts of pork? How can you judge someone's 'liberalness' based on their voting record, if they vote for bills where their district gets something and vote against bills where it doesn't? I mean, the three trillion additional debt didn't come from nowhere.
I don't think people should look just at the title of the bills ...
I don't think people should look just at the title of the bills ...
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Really? What evidence has the naysayers given to proof the article wrong? Mostly just opinion. Though I tend to agree that I dont see much difference between Dennis K. and Barak O. Basically, two sides of the same coin.
Weight of responses, I guess. Most people are mentioning the K. fellow as more liberal.
But seriously, how can someone be judged on their voting record regarding a bill, if they have district-based incentives for voting for that bill?
The pork really makes it harder to judge someone's record.
But seriously, how can someone be judged on their voting record regarding a bill, if they have district-based incentives for voting for that bill?
The pork really makes it harder to judge someone's record.
PrincepsAmerica
Nothingness made flesh
Well I'm not sure about those percentages, especially because Kucinich is in the house, Obama the senate, and Kucinich has been a legislator much longer. Overall though I don't know how you can argue with what Obamas stated positions are and those do seem pretty damn liberal.
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