Obama to call for repeal of DADT in State of the Union

[JollyRoger]

Yeah, because NAMGLA has already made its mark.

 

[BasketCase]

Bleh. Got distracted by reality again.

Yeah, but you must have put up a poster of a girl somewhere at some point. That's the same thing. You're telling people "I like girls"

Wrong. I put such posters up where I can enjoy them. And where most other people (particularly lady friends) never even know they exist.

Being out of the closet doesn't necessarily mean talking like the stereotype, walking around in arseless chaps and participating in the Mardi Gras.
For most gay people, it at the very least means being able to talk about your life in the same way straight guys can. So gay guys can talk about their boyfriend in the same way straight guys talk about their girlfriend (and the reverse for women). A young couple in love should be able to have public displays of affection (within reason) no matter what gender the two of them are.

Wrong also. Straight PDA is equally tasteless. When I'm with my woman, I do not kiss or fondle her in public, and I disapprove of straight men who do. Especially in restaurants, because I really would not prefer the bulding's health code to drop to a B while I'm in the middle of dinner.

Under that logic, Racial segregation of the military should not have been stopped until nobody cared.

And now for the hat trick. I never said the military should be segregated, I said they should keep DADT. Gays do, in fact, have the right to serve in the military even though they're wierd. They don't have the right to do it PUBLICLY.

(Dontcha just love all these little things I keep to myself until precisely the moment they can cause everybody the most headaches?? Yes, I do that on purpose )


And here's a little bonus, just for fun (mostly mine): You guys are all aware, aren't you, that having gays in the U.S. military creates terrorists? Oh, come on, don't make that face at me. Everybody in here knows exactly what radical Muslims think of gays. In many parts of the Middle East, gays get SHOT.

Our tolerance of gays is one of the reasons radical Muslims hate the U.S.; gay tolerance creates terrorists. Why do I bring that up? Because I know that none of you in here give a crap (frankly, neither do I--if it pisses off radical Muslims, I'm all for it). You're perfectly willing to risk the occasional suicide bombing in order to stand up for what you think is right. Right? Right. So there's a little perspective for y'all: the old line "we can't do that because it creates terrorists" vis a vis Guantanamo has always been complete bullcrap.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Our tolerance of gays is one of the reasons radical Muslims hate the U.S.

Don't you mean that's one of the reasons why radical Christians hate the US?

 

[useless]

So your an open bigot. Well, your belief that people should lie to themselves and you, to save you from personally feeling awkward disgusts me, but congratulations on doing nothing more then re-hashing the old argument. You point out that you find straight people publically showing their affection for each other is complete bullcrap, as you're obviously more okay with straight people showing their "Straightness" rather then gays, who you then go on to say are wierd.

You then go on to base your opinion on your belief that homosexuals and the tolerance there of creates terrorists, and you use this a defense of DADT, well if you can make that argument, then whats stopping you saying that women should be kept back, and treated exactly like they are in the less free, more sexist Islamic countries? Not only is that a slippery slope, but it's also absolute crap.

And whilst we're on the topc of rights, why do you believe that gays should not have the same right to publically show their sexuality, the same right that you are all too willing, with your mouth open if i may add, to give to heterosexuals?

You know what really pisses me off? Your repeated attempts to defend homophobic laws and such, via the medium of complaining about how you find homosexuals wierd and that the response from people who're just as confused and angry about this issue as i am, is somehow invalid because that is exactly the response they want. Well congratulations, i find you wierd, i hope you do not mind as i impinge on your freedoms, ask you to behave differently so i can feel more uncomftable and relegate yourself to the position of the oppressed.

 

[BasketCase]

Don't you mean that's one of the reasons why radical Christians hate the US?

Nope. Can't remember the last time a Christian committed a suicide bombing.

 

[useless]

Not like matters whether or not radical Christians committed suicide bombings, their bile and hatred is still just as strong as their muslim counter-parts.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Nope. Can't remember the last time a Christian committed a suicide bombing.

So you are going to forget about all the other terrorist acts and acts of hatred committed by Christian fanatics. Because they never were committed enough to give their own lives to their cause...

 

[BasketCase]

You know what really pisses me off?

See? You wish I would just shut the hell up, don't you?

That's the reason we should keep DADT, right there.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Huh?

 

[useless]

See? You wish I would just shut the hell up, don't you?

That's the reason we should keep DADT, right there.

So you can get your own personal joy from those who point our how archaic and backwards it is?

Actually, screw you. That isn't even a reason, thats just an immature response to any criticism of your belief, to justify something which is wrong. It isn't even a defense.

 

[BasketCase]

Uhhh, no. The whole point is to demonstrate your reaction.

When I come out of the closet and say I'm anti-gay, you explode. You go white with rage and start spewing at me.

We should both just keep quiet on the issue in order to avoid fights.

 

[useless]

Sorry, i'm confused, what is your point, beyond just trolling? You are anti-gay since you wish to keep a law which is obviously homophobic, a law which affects homosexuals, whilst ignoring those who are straight. Don't accuse me of labelling you a homophobe because you disagree with me, because the policy is BLATENTLY homophobic. If heterosexuals were subjected to the same kind of Bill, then yes you would have a point and criticism of those who branded you this, but since this is not the case it holds little water in any debate.

You're only just re-iterating what everyone knew; that your attempts at defense basically boil down to "well look at how you react", rather then actually trying to discuss how and why you believe DADT makes sense to you.

A fight? Well boy, i've got my fists ready for this philisophical, puglistic duel, because i definately know that your points are old, trite and hold no actual validity in the context of this topic. But do not fear, for i shalln't take flight. I've got my DS, a copy of Advance Wars Ds, and a cup of Pinapple juice to spice things up.

 

[BasketCase]

Dr. Pepper, Doritos, Civ 4 and Sins of a Solar Empire for me.

If I was anti-gay, I would be OPPOSED to DADT. I'm not. I'm also opposed to the official policy on gays that is followed by Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the Taliban (some of which are considerably more cruel than merely being shot).

My point is we should keep DADT because it's the same policy pursued everywhere else in society. You don't walk naked in public, you don't grope your girlfriend in restaurants, you don't yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater, and you don't fight at a hockey game unless you are one of the players.

 

[dirtyparrot]

^ I don't really think that you've demonstrated much. Saying that you're not the extreme is not something to be extremely proud of. That would be like an anti-semite saying at least I don't think we ought to be gassing the Jews. And your last paragraph doesn't make much sense either. IMO, a large segment of society needs to grow up a little. It's not like the reversal of this policy is suddenly going to transform gay people into some predatory mode where they ogle you in the shower and whatever else you can imagine is going to come to past.

 

[kosiosko 1]

Uhhh, no. The whole point is to demonstrate your reaction.

When I come out of the closet and say I'm anti-gay, you explode. You go white with rage and start spewing at me.

We should both just keep quiet on the issue in order to avoid fights.

I'm not GAY, big deal, who cares , at least i'm out of the closet, yawn, but why should i keep quite on the issue, yawn

You saying your anti- gay, can't you see the difference

 

[BasketCase]

I never said I was anti-gay. I said gays are wierd. You're the one who calls that anti-gay.

^ I don't really think that you've demonstrated much. Saying that you're not the extreme is not something to be extremely proud of. That would be like an anti-semite saying at least I don't think we ought to be gassing the Jews.

You're doing the same thing. Everything's gotta be black and white, don't it. Either I'm TOTALLY in lockstep with your lazy ass or I'm a homophobe. Bullcrap.

Anti-gay means beating them up with baseball bats. Or shotguns. Or, the way the Taliban did it, they would shove you up against a wall and then knock the wall down on you with a bulldozer. I think gay = strange, yet I support DADT even though it disagrees with my viewpoint.

I can put my political opinions aside when necessary. How bout you guys?

 

[dirtyparrot]

^ I'm sorry but that's the basis of language. We as society agree on the definition of words. In most cases, being anti-something can occur across a broad spectrum. For example, I brought up the Jews persecution in Germany for a reason and probably not the one that first came to mind for a lot of people. They were discriminated against and forbidden certain jobs in Germany long before the Nazi party had any pull. The Nazi in this case were the extreme, but certainly their treatment prior to that nothing to strive for either.

 

[PiMan]

Dr. Pepper, Doritos, Civ 4 and Sins of a Solar Empire for me.

If I was anti-gay, I would be OPPOSED to DADT. I'm not. I'm also opposed to the official policy on gays that is followed by Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the Taliban (some of which are considerably more cruel than merely being shot).

My point is we should keep DADT because it's the same policy pursued everywhere else in society. You don't walk naked in public, you don't grope your girlfriend in restaurants, you don't yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater, and you don't fight at a hockey game unless you are one of the players.

Rules against walking naked in public, public groping, yelling fire inappropriately and participating in riots, all would exist with or without DADT.

However, perfectly acceptable things to do are banned under DADT.
A casual conversation where you talk about your loved ones back home? That's forbidden for gay people in the US military.

 

[useless]

Dr. Pepper, Doritos, Civ 4 and Sins of a Solar Empire for me.

If I was anti-gay, I would be OPPOSED to DADT. I'm not. I'm also opposed to the official policy on gays that is followed by Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the Taliban (some of which are considerably more cruel than merely being shot).

My point is we should keep DADT because it's the same policy pursued everywhere else in society. You don't walk naked in public, you don't grope your girlfriend in restaurants, you don't yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater, and you don't fight at a hockey game unless you are one of the players.

You're totally illogical. You're basically arguing that if DADT was repealed and ended, the world would go to hell in a handcart. Well here's news to you, Gays are allowed to openly serve in many of the nations of today, and yet they can still function without any detriment overall. Gay people aren't wild beasts, unable to function without molesting, raping or otherwise committing disgusting sexual acts to releave their sexual tensions. However, there are an incredible abundance of cases in which heterosexual rape has occured, but then again i don't see you screaming for any similar law for straights.

Funny that eh?

 

[RedRalph]

We should both just keep quiet on the issue in order to avoid fights.

Better do the same about capitalism then, it really annoys me