Obsolete - How to get a business started!

[Civanator]

Here is how:

The person who is going to starts the buissness PM's the Item Keeper (trader/warrior) and tells him what items he/she is going to sell. The Item Keeper then PM's the shop starter and says how much its going to cost (or time it's gonna take) to get one of the items in their stock(example longer down). Then the shop owner posts his buget in a buissnes part of the bank. There the tax can be collected each turn.

Ex:
to get this many (item here), it costs (cost here)
Or
to grow this many (product here), it takes (time here)
or
to make this many (product/item here), it takes (time here)

thanx to trader/warrior for the solution

Start up cost:
First business: Free
Second and on: 100g plus other fees
200g additional for Manufacturing
100g additional for Resale
50g additional for Services (Not selling or making anything.)

 

[Danke]

There was some talk on how much it costs to start a business, could that be recapped here?
Thanks!

 

[Shaitan]

Startup costs have not been finalized yet. The rules are still being developed.

 

[Danke]

Well, how can I cook the books if I don't know how much things cost

I'll just put this double-entry abacus away for now.....

Danke Q Boondoggle
Boondoggle & Pork, Lobbyists
Greasing the Wheels of Democracy Since 4000BC...or a tad earler

 

[Civanator]

the item part is final, but how much it costs isn't.

 

[jdd2007]

would there be a fee to start a bussiness. this could lead to people buying stocks. i, and 3 others would pool together 100gold to open the bussiness and a 5th person would run it. if it did badly, we would lose and if it thrived, we would get an extra 5gpt

 

[Civanator]

startup prices are now set, but are being boggled around now.

 

[Shaitan]

The current rule design proposal has Private business, private companies, public companies and corporations.

 

[disorganizer]

i would prefer reading some how-tos. or maybe have a govnermental position to help people build startups.

 

[Shaitan]

Apro, Poe & Nuffin offer business consultation services for a nominal fee.

 

[BCLG100]

i think we should also be more expensie for a second buisiness so we dont get monopolies

 

[Civanator]

it is. it costs atleast 150g for a second business and more.

 

[VHS]

don't forget to register on the FSE. Can some1 post the FINAL business fee's. Thx

 

[disorganizer]

is the 1st business free?

 

[Shaitan]

The rules are being developed right now. Check the RPG thread to see what the current revision is.

Yes, the current revision has one business free for each player.

 

[disorganizer]

maybe the discussion should be spawned into a seperate one out of that monster thread? i stopped reading it long ago ;-)

 

[BCLG100]

very informative post dis
i dont think the first buisiness should be free otherwise we will end up with loads of tiny little shops running round the place

 

[Civanator]

maybe at 1/4 the cost of a regular business?

 

[Shaitan]

Lots of tiny shops is just fine. Some will succeed, others won't. Unsuccessful businesses will fade away. It's better to be inclusive here than exclusive. The laws of commerce will prevail, have faith.

 

[disorganizer]

So the first shop is free of founding-cost (as of now).

Now is there a maintenance cost which is not calculated by the earnings of the shop, like a 10gpt turn-tax per shop or something for the first shop? Or is it just the tax calculated from the money i earn? (i think small is 4 of 10?!?).

IMHO, having no startupcost for the first business is bad. It should be low, though, but should be there (think of it as renting a house or buying something for the shop). It should nevertheless be less than 50gold for the first one. If we make it free, someone could open unlimited numbers of shops one after each other and then sell them, for example. The other way he would have to make more than 50gold to win money with it.

But i would not like a turnly fee for first private businesses. This will prevent very small businesses from existing. All fees for first and only businesses should be income based. Like if i earn nothing, i pay nothing.

On the other side:
Following kinds of shops should be charged for ALL shops:
1) second shops (also the first shop will be charged on founding of the second)
2) joint ventures or bigger companies
3) shops being run or founded by groups or more than one individual citizens or being financed by such.

example:
* shaitan opens shop A. This is his first shop, so he pays 50 gold one time fee.
shaitan will not earn money, so he does not pay tax for that shop.
* shaitan now opens shop B in addition to shop A. He again has to pay 50 gold.
As he now has 2 shops, he will have to pay a turnly fee for BOTH shops+the income tax.
* shaitan now sells shop A for 30 gold.
He now only has 1 shop left, so he does not pay a turnly fee any more. He just pays his normal income tax.
* shaitan now forms a joint venture with eyrei for shop B
at that moment, it is no private business any more. shop B will have to pay turnly fees (same when shop B grows too big or other things apply like corporation etc.).
* shaitan now founds shop C.
he has to pay 50 gold for the founding, but he also has to pay a turnly fee for shop C, as he also is part of the joinc venture shop B, and as such shop C is not his "first shop".
* shaitan leaves shop B joint venture
so he now does not have to pay turnly fees for shop C any more.


did i get it right/is my proposal ok?

i think this would enable all citizens to have a shop, but would make them think twice about joining or second shoups.
the fees for having a 3rd shop should be DRASTIC!