On Duterte

Don't think there are many dealers left. Did you happen to see the post above your Berzerker? You're gonna love it. :D

I like Ron White, but he didn't say he supports the thug running your country or his war. Ron's "solution" is a 20k bounty on meth labs paid with a tax on pot. He didn't say anything about meth users and dealers, much less assassinating people.
 
I like Ron White, but he didn't say he supports the thug running your country or his war. Ron's "solution" is a 20k bounty on meth labs paid with a tax on pot. He didn't say anything about meth users and dealers, much less assassinating people.

"We give you one minute to give up meth babies and if you give us any resistance we just kill everybody in the place."

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong Berzerker? Better go have another cup of your fancy coffee and watch it again.
 
The deaths of petty criminals and street children are on his hands

It certainly has me curious. If it were the US and it was proven to me I'd be a part of the armed resistance. First, it has not been proven, and second this isn't my country. I very much doubt Duterte has ordered the deaths of street children. This from a guy that always gives them pesos when they ask, if I got em. That would matter to me, and to a lot of people. I doubt it very much however.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/1...-says-president-exaggerating-on-killings.html

"In Davao, I used to do it personally. Just to show to the guys that, if I can do it why can't you?" he said. "I go around in Davao with a motorcycle, with a big bike around and I would just patrol the streets and looking for trouble also. I was really looking for an encounter to be able to kill."

he's a psycho and apparently quite fond of Fentanyl and one of his medical conditions is caused by tobacco
 
It certainly has me curious. If it were the US and it was proven to me I'd be a part of the armed resistance. First, it has not been proven, and second this isn't my country. I very much doubt Duterte has ordered the deaths of street children. This from a guy that always gives them pesos when they ask, if I got em. That would matter to me, and to a lot of people. I doubt it very much however.

Even if he has never directly given an order to kill children, his actions have caused their deaths, and he knows it
 
Yup, he said that. When he was mayor of Davao he used to go hunting drug dealers. He's not a politician who hides his intent or minces words, I'll give you that.
 
Even if he has never directly given an order to kill children, his actions have caused their deaths, and he knows it

Wow, do you get invited to his house for a nice chat or what?
 
You are an idiot if you think the killings will stop once all the "bad" people are dead.

You are an idiot if you try to split the category of extra-judicial killings into "good" extra judicial killings of drug dealers by vigilantes, and "bad" extra judicial killings of anyone inconvenient by vigilantes.

There isn't polite language for this. You're applauding murder.
 
"We give you one minute to give up meth babies and if you give us any resistance we just kill everybody in the place."

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong Berzerker? Better go have another cup of your fancy coffee and watch it again.

Watch what again? I didn't see anything about meth babies and I'm not sure what he's talking about. If he said that maybe he would support the psycho running your country. I dont really keep up on Ron's politics, he just never struck me as a hypocrite. You've shown me the light.

Like I said, the crime is punishing people because of what someone else did. In his example, meth users will be executed if a woman doesn't give him her baby? I dont drink coffee, gave it up long ago too when I stopped driving for a living. So we have a man who loves to drink booze and has no problem if children see him drinking booze advocating the murders of people if a woman doesn't turn her kid over to the state? Has Ron ever heard of fetal alcohol syndrome? Compare that with "meth babies"...
 
Might want to cut back on the flavored coffee Bz, you seem a little tense.
 
Hey sure, if I said something like that I'd be backtracking too. None of my business however, thankfully I don't have that problem. Hope it works out for you, really do.
 
Well thanks, but this was almost 4 decades ago and worked out fine just like it has for nearly all the other people who've used speed. But why would you backtrack? I wish I put it in my coffee, much safer that way. The people who can get into trouble inject it into their veins, but snorting the stuff aint good for the sinuses. Not that I'm complaining, the damage to my sinuses was caused by nasal sprays for allergies. Legal drugs have done me far more damage than any illegal drugs.

I understand Fentanyl is very relaxing, maybe El Presidente can hook me up?
 
Noone is this stupid.

How is it that you think vigilante killings are ok, but you ask other people to prove that they don't kill targets that would upset you?

If you thought about it honestly, you would have figured out that vigilantes get it wrong a whole bunch. Or just don't care and kill whoever they want.

On some level you already know that that children and innocents are being killed, but you're ok with that. Its fine with you. Just so long as you don't think about it carefully.

Please at least be a good parent and keep your own kids where you can see them. You don't care for other peoples but please keep your own safe.
 
In all my school years no one ever walked up and tried to sell me drugs... So I'm skeptical when I hear someone claiming the poor little children just cant go to school without meth dealers lurking about to 'push' drugs on them.
 
White flunkies only nod approvingly when civil liberties are violated in the Third World.
 
Glad to hear it Bz.
 
Don't you ever get tired of being wrong Berzerker? Better go have another cup of your fancy coffee and watch it again.

Might want to cut back on the flavored coffee Bz, you seem a little tense.

Hey sure, if I said something like that I'd be backtracking too. None of my business however, thankfully I don't have that problem. Hope it works out for you, really do.

You keep ignoring arguments and responding only with petty ad hominems, or phrases completely irrelevant to the discussion.

The nation loves him, for the most part. Pushers not so much.

The peoples of many nations are sick of drugs or sick from drugs. Hate the guy if you will, but he is much loved at home. Not for everything, he just burriedn Marcos in the heroes cemetery, but for a lot of damn good reasons, in my opinion.

People feel safer however, he's a success. Well pushers don't feel safer but...

I doubt you realize how often you repeat yourself, just a little heads-up. So many good points have been made ITT as to how a short-term crackdown can never fix the roots of a problem like drug addiction, yet you keep ignoring those answers and spouting your "prices for meth have increased 9x!" number, oblivious to the fact that drugs are than meth exit and can be readily abused.
 
We can't put a dollar value on human life, the two concepts are apples and snorkels. That said, human life has inherent value, and that value is greater than what they might do to their bodies or what contrived rules we construct against what trade is illicit. But at what point does that illicit trade endanger the lives of non-participants, that's the real problem, the rub that's conveniently omitted from arguments against punishment for drug offenses. If every bale of marijuana, every bundle of cocaine, every package of meth, comes at the cost of someone's suffering, worse, deaths, then every dollar one spends into illicit trade contributes to that suffering and death. Further, consumers of illicit substances cause suffering to those around them.

Drugs aren't produced in a cultural vacuum. Every participant adversely affects non-participants, to the extent of, sometimes, death. But if one runs about killing people, particularly without trial, they become that instrument of death which is just as bad as those in organized crime who start the chain. So, Duterte isn't some "good guy", because the good guy, realizing the problem, and in his effort to reduce suffering, would put forth the extra effort to be sure he is not in the same position as the murderers and those who cause suffering.

Duterte is a murderer. He has admitted it, he has in the past killed people without trial. But then, so do we, when we send cruise missiles at some factory, or inadvertently some school or hospital, we pay for that, we contribute to that, we share that shame. We can try to improve our methods, we can try to be more precise in our self defense, but I fear innocent people will always be caught in the middle. Is that the fault of those who respond or those who perpetrate the problem? It probably falls in the laps of those who perpetrate the problem, I think. At least we'd like to think that way.

There's no real justice on Earth, in the end. This is all just what we make it. Belief in God places a higher order on judgement and justice, but here, between humans on Earth, there's no real finality in justice, only what contrived value we place in justice. So should we be stunned to inactivity because nothing we do is just, because all are ultimately unrighteous? No. That's not the answer either. The answer, tragically, is that we're all doing precisely what we should be doing, be it lawful or unlawful, good or bad. That seems, however, to legitimize murder, and murder is against not only our laws but God's laws.

We're certainly in a pickle, aren't we. To point to transgressions of another is to make less of our own transgressions. We need order to survive. All order we imagine between each other is constructed. Free will becomes the right to make bad decisions.
 
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