On Duterte

[AppleDumplingHead]

Thing is, wasn't there a bit in the Bible where a bunch of guys arrest Jesus, and they nail Jesus to a cross, and he dies gruesomely, without raising a word of objection?

S'been a while since Catholic school, I'm a little foggy on the specifics.

There's a bigger picture there, though. The entire OT has this overlying message of how so few people were able to "do it right" and by "it" I mean follow covenant law, the 613 mitzvot. Being difficult to follow is one thing, but the impending destruction of the temple would make it impossible. I know people like to cherry pick Lev and Deut for the things that make them feel icky, but messing up one rule is to mess up the whole thing. There are rules how to properly conduct ritual around the temple, and if that temple isn't there, no one ever can do it right again. Jesus was that final sacrifice to establish a "new covenant".

Even without all the metaphysical premise, the message in the sermon on the mount is solid. It's not saying "let yourself be destroyed", it's saying "fight differently", not with revenge, but with respect for life, and put the ball back in their court. This, of course, leans heavily on an understanding of an eventual afterlife existence, and I admit that.

 

[Berzerker]

What the...

Does this seem normal and ok to you? How do you even come up with something like that.

Some religions preach non-violence, even when violence is done to them. His path is not normal... its narrow.

Can't people grasp a little different meaning to it, than "let people do what they want to you"? I mean, if it's so meaningless to you that you're not interested in the underlying message, how about if you just leave it alone?

You have heard it said, an eye for an eye, but I say do not resist evil doers. Did he mean take an eye for an eye and resist evil doers?

Even without all the metaphysical premise, the message in the sermon on the mount is solid. It's not saying "let yourself be destroyed", it's saying "fight differently", not with revenge, but with respect for life, and put the ball back in their court. This, of course, leans heavily on an understanding of an eventual afterlife existence, and I admit that.

Doesn't putting the ball back in their court mean letting the evil doer decide the fate of the Christian? So what does a Christian do if they're about to be tossed from a helicopter? Do not resist, just fight differently? Fighting is resistance. The promise of heavenly reward to do the right thing sounds like a bribe, I imagine any god worthy of the title would be more impressed by people who did the right thing without any expectation of an afterlife.

 

[EnglishEdward]

You're thinking of "Episcopalian". Episcopal just means "bishops", and it's generally the local hierarchy who are directly involved in pushing for conservative social policy, rather than the Papacy itself, which is usually too busy for that kind of hand-on lobbying. Outside of boggle-eyed Orange conspiracy theories, the pope is more of a senior administrative figure than some global puppet-master.

The Roman Catholic church's comdemnation of contraceptives was very much top down.

Please read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanae_vitae

If the local hierachies are pushing it, they are only following central Roman Catholic guidance.

 

[Traitorfish]

I'm not disagreeing that the Vatican is opposed to contraceptive, but framing clerical lobbying as "Papal intervention" is just out of step with how the Catholic Church actually operates. It'd be like describing, say, federal regulations on the sale of beef as "Presidential interference" in the beef industry. The head office just isn't that involved in the day-to-day running of things.

 

[CavLancer]

Regarding drug pushers elsewhere, in other countries, the ones who are not being shot outright, I saw this sign on youtube...

This is your brain...

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This is your brain on drugs...

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This is your butt hole...

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This is your butt hole in prison...

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Don't get involved in drugs. If you are involved and your brain is tiny, consider your butt hole, and quit.

This has been a public service announcement.

 

[FriendlyFire]

This is PHILLIPINES POLICE
This is Police framing an Australian with estasy tablets and cash
This is Police being told to bust drug dealers to get promotion
This is why about half those killed in Phillipines drug wars are probably innocent
Any questions ?

The men took Mr Berg to a city backstreet where they arrested him, claiming he and another man had tried to sell drugs on the street to an undercover police officer. Fifty ecstasy pills and cash supposedly belonging to Damian were displayed as TV cameras circled the two men.

"In an arrest, you must overcome the resistance of the criminal. And if he fights and he fights to death, you can kill them. And I'll give you a medal

But there was one thing that could possibly help — the CCTV vision that showed Mr Berg was pulled from his hotel room and not arrested in the street as the police claimed.

"I told Marvie the first day that she came to the police barracks, 'You need to get that CCTV footage because this is all lies, it's the only thing that's going to prove my innocence'," he said.

The court found the CCTV footage "belied the claim of the prosecution … and destroyed the integrity of their testimonies". He was acquitted on September 15.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-...ramed-on-drugs-charges-in-philippines/7925200

 

[aelf]

Regarding drug pushers elsewhere, in other countries, the ones who are not being shot outright, I saw this sign on youtube...

This is your brain...

O

This is your brain on drugs...

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Did you take drugs?