On Forest Preserves

[bioelectricclam]

1. They should appear with Monarchy, not Scientific Method. Why? Kings were the first rulers to establish "national parks" - namely, private hunting lands forbidden from the public. Also, because monarchs have a vested interest in the future well-being of their nation (because they know that it all goes to their children), many of them have gone to great lengths to save natural resources, which I believe the Forest Preserve would do an excellent job in representing.

2. I don't get why discovering the Scientific Method would lead to the creation of forest preserves. I just don't see the connection between guys like Isaac Newton and Yellowstone National Park.

3. As of right now they just appear too late in the game to be all that useful; most forests are already chopped by the time the forest preserve rolls around.

Anyways, that's my two cents.

 

[paydro]

Private hunting lands are not the same thing as national parks, and did not provide real benefits to anyone.

Since the first national parks were established in the 1860s by the United States, frankly even scientific method is much too early. Monarchy would be completely absurd. A more reasonable technology would be either Biology or Medicine, but that makes it even less likely players will use forest preserves.

It's true that most forests are chopped by the time the preserve rolls around... this is also what happened in real life in most cases. The United States was fairly unique in that it was still engaging in settling of frontier territories in the 1800s, when European nations had long since deforested much of their lands.

What should be permitted by the game is forest planting, as Civ used to have. It should take time, maybe 5-10 turns, but it would permit the development of parks and the effective leveraging of the national park wonder.

 

[Fireseal]

Why bother with parks at all? Just nerve staple those unhappy workers!

 

[bioelectricclam]

Private hunting lands are not the same thing as national parks, and did not provide real benefits to anyone.

That is simply not true; some of the world's most important forest preserves owe themselves directly to monarchy. These places were created with an emphasis on conservation of species. For example, the Polish Jaktorow comes to mind:

The original range of the aurochs was from the British Isles and southern Scandinavia, to northern Africa, the Middle East, India and central Asia. By the 13th century A.D., the aurochs' range was restricted to Poland, Lithuania, Moldavia, Transylvania and East Prussia. The right to hunt large animals on any land was restricted to nobles and gradually to the royal household. As the population of aurochs declined, hunting ceased but the royal court still required gamekeepers to provide open fields for the aurochs to graze in. The gamekeepers were exempted from local taxes in exchange for their service and a decree made poaching an aurochs punishable by death. In 1564, the gamekeepers knew of only 38 animals, according to the royal survey. The last recorded live aurochs, a female, died in 1627 in the Jaktorów Forest, Poland. The skull was later taken by the Swedish Army during the Swedish invasion of Poland (1655–1660) and is now the property of Livrustkammaren in Stockholm. -from Wikipedia, Aurochs

 

[Onagan]

Why bother with parks at all? Just nerve staple those unhappy workers!

because they are powerfull. I had a game where I took over the English Empire, in Londons BFC that contains 16! forrests. I build National Epic & National Park in it, 16 free specialists. I got enough Prophets for al 7 religions (6 founded 1 captured). and after that I got a bunch of Scientists. It was awesome.

 

[King of Town]

because they are powerfull. I had a game where I took over the English Empire, in Londons BFC that contains 16! forrests. I build National Epic & National Park in it, 16 free specialists. I got enough Prophets for al 7 religions (6 founded 1 captured). and after that I got a bunch of Scientists. It was awesome.

You built national parks before 6 religions were founded?

 

[Wejer]

You built national parks before 6 religions were founded?

That's what I thought first, but I think he used those 7 prophets to create SHRINES in his holy cities (he had founded 6 religions, and captured 1 holy city).