PerfectWorld6 7

[sukritact]

Is it just me, or have you left out support for reefs?

 

[Gedemon]

Don't go changing your mod on account of mine, cephalo. I'll just use standard map sizes or some other workaround. I didn't mean to rain on the parade of this mod's release with this issue.

Although I am flabbergasted why YNAMP works for me and not you with PW6...So weird man.

@Gedemon - Any idea what's going on here?

custom sizes does have a hash here:

> for row in GameInfo.Maps() do print(row.MapSizeType, row.Hash) end

Map Script: MAPSIZE_DUEL    388991850
Map Script: MAPSIZE_TINY    -601637951
Map Script: MAPSIZE_SMALL    -1837222328
Map Script: MAPSIZE_STANDARD    -2055278946
Map Script: MAPSIZE_LARGE    -1101990427
Map Script: MAPSIZE_HUGE    370405108
Map Script: MAPSIZE_SMALL21    1270126241
Map Script: MAPSIZE_STANDARD21    350140894
Map Script: MAPSIZE_LARGE21    1383131937
Map Script: MAPSIZE_HUGE21    -1949521506
Map Script: MAPSIZE_ENORMOUS    -669351999
Map Script: MAPSIZE_ENORMOUS21    -1359673613
Map Script: MAPSIZE_GIANT    -1457100151
Map Script: MAPSIZE_LUDICROUS    -1575656048
Map Script: MAPSIZE_OVERSIZED    -294316469

I don't understand what can cause them to not exist on another installation of the game

I've tested compatibility with the current version on a small 2:1 custom size (84x42), seems also good here:

Map Script: ynAMP Options: Culturally Linked = true, TSL = false, Exclusion Zones = false, Requested Resources = false, Real Deposits = false, Place All Luxuries = false
Map Script: Loading YnAMP functions ...
Map Script: Replacing ResourceBuilder.CanHaveResource by YnAMP_CanHaveResource...
Map Script: width and height    96    48
GenerateRandomMap: Map Seed = 1227711994
Map Script: Generating PerfectWorld6 Map
Map Script: Creating initial map data - PerfectWorld6
Map Script: map size: width=96, height=48

Spoiler Screenshot :

 

[cephalo]

Is it just me, or have you left out support for reefs?

Doh! I'll fix that when I can.

 

[cephalo]

So Gedemon, are you not experiencing the size issue at all?

 

[Gedemon]

So Gedemon, are you not experiencing the size issue at all?

No, it may crash on load for larger map (AFAIK no computer can handle "reveal all" on maps above 200x100, and Giant is 180x90 which gives 207x104 after applying the 1.15 multiplier of PW), but the game does try to generate a map of that size.

 

[pokiehl]

I'll take another look at the mod Larger Map Sizes and see any differences between how Gedemon did his map sizes vs the way I did mine.

 

[cephalo]

I actually am seeing reefs a long the coast, but I didn't put them there. Seems like there could be more also. Are they a 'feature'? Did they come with the expansion?

 

[Pfeffersack]

I actually am seeing reefs a long the coast, but I didn't put them there. Seems like there could be more also. Are they a 'feature'? Did they come with the expansion?

Yes, they are feature like ice or jungle and were expansion-added.

 

[pokiehl]

Hope the pumpkin festival was fun cephalo Good news! I figured out what the problem with the map sizes was on my end. I forgot to add the new map sizes to the TYPES table. All the sizes now work fine with PerfectWorld6 and generate a hash properly. The mod is now updated on Steam. I thank both you and Gedemon for looking into this issue with me.

Pfeffersack, in the other thread you mentioned you liked to use Larger Map Sizes, so if you were having a problem before, I just updated the mod and it will work with PW6.

EDIT: I confirm what Sukritact pointed out - no reefs are being spawned for me whatsoever. As Pfeffersack said, they were introduced with Rise and Fall - they are placed via FeatureGenerator.lua in the Expansion1 folder.

 

[Pfeffersack]

Pfeffersack, in the other thread you mentioned you liked to use Larger Map Sizes, so if you were having a problem before, I just updated the mod and it will work with PW6.

Thank you the fix - works like a charm. Everyone trying should be only aware that map generation then can *really* take it's time in this combination - I waited 15-20 minutes for one generation of a Civ5-Huge-size (smallest of the additional sizes) But that's a price I'm gladly willing to pay for the result (and it feels kind of realistic, too - earth history took billions of years to get everything in shape )

 

[cephalo]

That's great pokeihl!

About those reefs. I have noticed that they are placed on my maps, just not very many. How did they sneak that in on me? How many should there be? Should there be like 1/4 of coast tiles as reefs?

 

[Golan v]

I wish in a perfact world would be only reefs lol

 

[pokiehl]

I believe the % of reefs in FeatureGenerator.lua is set at 8% (although I don't know enough about Lua to tell you if that means % of all tiles or % of water tiles).

Based on that, 1/4 seems like too much. While reefs are useful, they are not removable. Because they block placement of harbors and wonders, too many can be problematic.

I find that the default percent is 'just right' for gameplay.

It's very interesting to me that you are seeing reefs on your PW maps - I have tested 6 times in a row and don't see a single one. Are you sure you're not just seeing the Great Barrier Reef wonder or something?

 

[fuad]

Great map script, but will this beautiful map script work with vanilla Civ or is Rise and fall expansion required ?

Edit : it works beautifully in Rise and Fall but not in Vanilla

 

[cephalo]

Great map script, but will this beautiful map script work with vanilla Civ or is Rise and fall expansion required ?

This should work with vanilla also, although I haven't tested it with vanilla.

I made an option to have jungle tiles have a plains terrain. I have decided by default to have jungle hills be plains, because it looks darn good and that should alleviate some of the harshness of starting in jungle. With the option you can set it to all jungle is plains, hills only or none.

I was playing with reefs, making their frequency change with temperature, and I liked it but I noticed that I was getting enormous numbers of turtles. Like a third or more of the reefs had turtles. Are turtles a luxury that everyone can count on in abundance? I may have to place those myself.

EDIT: Also, how do you feel about reefs in freshwater lakes?

 

[Scrum Lord]

This is actually a very easy change to make. In Civ5 I just couldn't stand the way jungle looked on plains. I needed my jungles to look wet, like it rained a lot. I will experiment with this and certainly I can make it a tweakable option.

Philosophically, do you think it's a bad thing to starve the equator of production?

Civ is funny in this regard. In the real world, what would be the difference between plains and grassland? I picture plains as being more dry, but really its an absurd differentiation.

EDIT: Annnnd... welcome to Civfanatics!

One thing you could do to fix the production imbalance is bias plains versus grass based on altitude rather than latitude: give hills a higher chance of grass, and flat tiles a higher chance of plains. That way you have hills with more food, and flat tiles with more production.

 

[pokiehl]

Thanks for making the jungles/plains thing an option!

As for turtles + reefs...Turtles can only spawn on reefs, so the more reefs you have the more turtles you will get.. The devs pushed out an update that specifically increased the frequency of turtles spawning, but I wouldn't say that I see 1/3 of all reefs tiles with turtles in my games. I would say with Abundant resources selected, it's not crazy to see ~20% of the reefs have turtles.

Is there any way you can take a screenshot of particularly egregious turtle clumping?

 

[cephalo]

Well, I was having a bit too many reefs at the time, also, the way the game chooses what luxuries to put down depends on continents it seems. Last two maps didn't have a single turtle. I'm still messing with it.

 

[cephalo]

Here is an example of the turtle problem, there's like enough turtles for every civ just on this one screen. The popup window is actually covering up two more. Didn't notice when I took the screenie.

 

[pokiehl]

Each named continent on a map gets 4 unique land luxury resources.

Sea luxury variety is assigned based map type and map size. PerfectWorld6 will have 1 unique sea luxury for a duel map, 2 for tiny-standard, and 3 for large, huge, and custom map sizes. With 4 sea luxuries defined in the game, there will always be a chance you don't roll turtles.

On top of that, sea luxuries tend to 'cluster' together due to a flaw in the resourcegenerator. (Sidenote if anyone cares: I have a mod called Truly Abundant Resources, and 2 of the changes I make in that mod are to increase sea luxury variety for each map size and fixing the clumping Sea luxury distribution is much improved)

Here is an example I just took, no mods, regular Continents map. Looks pretty similar to your screenshot in that turtles occupied almost all of the reef tiles in the screenshot (resource setting was Standard)

The big difference between our screenshots is that yours has more reefs. So if PerfectWorld6 creates more reefs than the regular Civ 6 scripts, and if you roll turtles as one of your sea luxuries, that sort of clumping is going to be expected when you have a lot of reef tiles near one another