Pericles Deity Fractal NHNE Low sea

[Fish Man]

A valiant attempt @krikav ! I'll call it a 50% win since you clearly had it within your grasp; just needed to do some things a tiny bit differently. And also I think out of all 4 of us you were the only non-reloader who went in blind, so you honestly did better than us all.

As for me...

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@Anysense , @krikav , and @BornInCantaloup : "You should finish with domination or conquest"

Me:

In all seriousness, though, I'm really tired of shuffling doomstacks around at this point. I could end this quickly with nukes or slower with tanks + bombers; with 30-some cities the world is mine to do as I please. But with such a great setup for a science victory (Mecca is an ideal cottage cap, Athens a great NE city, Mao's cities will be production behemoths once workshopped/milled, and Charlie put academies in four of his cities) it seems like such a waste and a hassle to do so much more needless killing. So, I think I'll sit back, factory up, build a spaceship, and enjoy the endgame after 5000 years of nonstop war.

Mao capped after I took basically everything with supercavs, circa 1500AD:

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Oh, another interesting tidbit...amidst all the commotion only 1 or 2 people went astronomy for a long while (Mao and SB, of all folks!). Mao because he really wanted communism instead of anything that would save him, like rifles...which is surprisingly in character, I guess. And SB because...well, I don't know. Maybe he actually realized he needed astro to trade with other civs and have any hope of catching up; but I highly doubt the AI is nearly that smart. So...in a bizarre occurrence, despite the existence of 16-city Wang and me tanking my economy throughout the game to whip, I'm first to physics, in probably literally the first and only deity game ever! This also means that I have a monopoly on electricity right now. You would think that Wang would be nearing advanced flight or something right now, and in fact given another 200 years that might be the case, but currently I'm just about caught up on tech.

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[krikav]

@Fish Man Thanks, but I was not puritan with any reloading though. Remember that I forgot to swap civics last turn of the GA so reloaded that, and some other moronic things too. So don't think I'm a saint in any way, that we save for BOTM, here it's fun in focus!

Regarding techpace etc:

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Except for Charly, which was in his own legue, I was also abit suprised that things didn't go even faster. I did manage to catch up somewhat and even got a few trades. I think that the relative dislike AI vs AI staved off some of the worst tech-trading.

I put EP on SB to see what he was doing, and it was fun to see him basically self-tech everything, if I would have traded him PP+gunpowder for education when I could, I would have boosted him significantly.

 

[Fish Man]

@Fish Man Thanks, but I was not puritan with any reloading though. Remember that I forgot to swap civics last turn of the GA so reloaded that, and some other moronic things too. So don't think I'm a saint in any way, that we save for BOTM, here it's fun in focus!

Regarding techpace etc:

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Except for Charly, which was in his own legue, I was also abit suprised that things didn't go even faster. I did manage to catch up somewhat and even got a few trades. I think that the relative dislike AI vs AI staved off some of the worst tech-trading.

I put EP on SB to see what he was doing, and it was fun to see him basically self-tech everything, if I would have traded him PP+gunpowder for education when I could, I would have boosted him significantly.

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Ah of course, knowing SB he probably spends 50% on espionage per turn anyways regardless. I considered shipping my cavs over to pay him a visit but he's 2 techs from rifles. So tanks vs rifles seems more entertaining and safer than cavs vs medieval. That is, assuming I care enough to conquer him anyways. With only 90 turns until my target win date it might not even be worth it.

...But of course I've always wanted to try tanks vs rifles on deity, so cowabunga it is! A lot of unusual firsts for supposedly such a cutthroat map.

@Fippy - the 4 people who have tried (myself included) all lost on the first attempt of this map. That probably meets the threshold to put this into the "prepare to cringe" thread, right? In just the first 5 turns there's plenty of cringe to be found in low sea level + jungled and boxed in.

 

[krikav]

Yes, different types, different tastes.
I like these types of maps too, but the ones Fippy usually present have one serious advantage in that they seldom come down to having to stroll around and manage a huge number of cities, something that I usually think is just a annoying chore.

@BornInCantaloup Thanks for looking into the saves and thanks for clarifying how demographics work, will be way easier to make judgements in comming games.
And regarding Charly, yeah... Quite the serious man.
Did you notice that culture pressure on my moved capital? Cathedral, odeon/theatre/the whole culture building kit. A culture bomb and despite running a few artists every now and then I could still not hold my first ring!

 

[krikav]

Regarding the capital, I can't really say, loads of small things.

I did run vassalage almost all the time, save for short burst in the golden ages.
Capital move was partly to get lower maintenence, tried to take a city where it would make some difference. But seeing that I had already built forbidden palace in cortinth (about the center of my empire I think) it was probably a moot point.

If I had been more clever I would have waited with forbidden palace and gotten that on SBs continent instead.

It did give me some EP discount though, that I'm sure about, but I don't know if that was significant.
Just another flexible move I guess, for periods I thought I was going for tanks/bombers, maybe decided the capital move then, and didn't think to reexamine that idea?
Oh, and I built an academy in that city at some point too.

 

[Fish Man]

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It is done. T273 space race victory, just narrowly short of sub-1800AD. It's always fun to go from fighting runaways to being the runaway after swallowing up the top dog, especially on maps like these. Sadly I didn't get the chance to, but I could've used tanks against longbows at one point vs SB (instead just finished it with cavs).True to my prediction, Beijing was just about the best IW city you could ask for. I think I topped 6500 bpt at one point, during the final golden age. With odeons and 4 vassals I didn't even have to switch out civics to deal with emancipation anger, enabling full-throttle communist caste workshops. Crazy stuff, but then again that's par for the course on low sea level maps.

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