Perry, a searing contempt for women

You don't get it do you?

Abortion is not murder, no matter how many times you try to claim it is. And if you want to go down that route, that cells with a chance of life being killed is murder, then why don't you want to criminalize miscarriage? Or criminalize women having their periods?

What about parasitic twins, are you in favor of allowing them to live? What about bacteria? Remember, those cells have a potential for life!
 
CELTICEMPIRE said:
pre-meditated murder is better than doing it because you feel like it?
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I'm not trying to be pedantic, but please use proper terms here. Abortion (presuming no anti-abortion laws are present) cannot be murder as it is not an unlawful killing, in addition to the clearly present uncertianty about how to ctagorize a fetus/embryo/zygote.

The abortion debate is muddy enough already without people using inflamatory and incorrect words.
 
useless said:
How is abortion inhumane? And if it is, at what stage does it beome so?

It is not a convenient act, especially with all the stigma and abuse attached to it. It can be an invasive process.
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The amusing thing is, the proponents for the Abortion Act 1967 all agreed that abortion was evil and should be a last resort for extremely poor young girls and victims of rape and abuse. Opponents of the Bill said it would lead to abortion on demand, I think they were right. Fast track to 2011, we have 200,000 abortions a year and the argument has been changed completely, now it's all about the so-called freedom of the woman to have an abortion.

I would love to know how the "pro-choice" crowd would react to lets say...abortion reaching 10 million/year in the United States. 10million Americans out of 300million cannot all be victims of rape or don't have the means to look after a child. Would that be unacceptable to you?
 
Where is the evidence that 200,000 abortions occur a year? Or even 10 million?
 
useless said:
Where is the evidence that 200,000 abortions occur a year? Or even 10 million?
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According to wikipedia it is 189,100 abortions in the UK, i just rounded it up (2009).

10 Million is a made-up fantasy figure I'm putting to the pro-choice crowd, I'm asking them if thats an acceptable figure.
 
I'm okay with 10 Million abortions, because I'm not interested with what a woman does with her own womb.
 
Thats because you view the feotus as not a human, just a lump of cells.
If you considered it a life just for a moment, you would know how I feel. Even pro-choice people on this forum agree that terminating a pregnancy beyond X level of weeks is undesirable and wrong because by that stage it is has a beating heart or it can survive outside the womb.

I'm not obsessed with the womb just the entrance :lol:
 
useless said:
You don't get it do you?

Abortion is not murder, no matter how many times you try to claim it is. And if you want to go down that route, that cells with a chance of life being killed is murder, then why don't you want to criminalize miscarriage? Or criminalize women having their periods?

What about parasitic twins, are you in favor of allowing them to live? What about bacteria? Remember, those cells have a potential for life!
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Your arguments make no sense to me. What are you ashamed of? What have you done?
 
What should I be ashamed off, MisterCooper? What are you trying to get at, here? With such comments?
 
Formaldehyde said:
There are over 1 million abortions per year in the US and 42 million in the world. UNICEF estimates there are now 2.1 million orphans in the US and 145 million in the world today. Why haven't they all been adopted?

I find it ironic that many of the people who are opposed to abortions because it is "murder" are also opposed to providing basic healthcare to all of our citizens, providing a minimum standard of life for all Americans (much less everybody in the world today), and even think that the males should always provide child support for all these unwanted babies instead of the state. Why aren't the donations from those who want to save all these unwanted children paying for all their expenses so they can all go to college and become successful members of society? Why are so many of these children so destitute they live on the street or in shelters? Why are 22% of the children in the US living in poverty right now?
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The orphans are rarely newborns...
 
NiRv4n4 said:
The same question could be asked to you.
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I'm not the one with an unwavering, ramrod judgement about something without any nuance at all. When you've located my opinions on the issue, feel free to lecture me on them.
 
kochman said:
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever... Miscarriage is generally not a choice...
Periods... What?
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Because supposedly this can destroy a just conceived infant.

But therein lies the problem with the arguments in the thread, they aren't considering the very minor detail called intent.

And BTW miscarriage probably isn't even manslaughter, its just a mistake. Now, if the woman was doing something that she knew (Or should have known) was very likely to harm the baby and he/she dies the woman should be prosecuted.
 
So you support the law in Utah, which criminalizes miscarriage then, Dommy?
 
That is totally unreal, this entire "Debate" or conversation is unreal. I thought you were a libertarian?

So do you want the government to stop women from doing what they want with their own bodies? Via laws?
 
useless said:
How is abortion inhumane?
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It seems pretty self-evident. I mean the most common method involves a suction. I would love to hear an argument about how it is fact a humane act. You and Cutlass seem to ignore questions and facts and simply pound the "womens rights" drum.

useless said:
I didn't realize Arakhor had implied that Abortionists of being okay with murder.

And I really have to take issue, with the subtle and not-so-subtle implication that those that are merely pro-choice, are okay with murder or are somehow morally deficient.
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You have yet to describe how knowingly ending a life is not an act of murder. It would seem from the debate that you either don't acknowledge a fetus as a human being which seems rather arbitrary, or you do acknowledge this and yet have no problem with the abortion anyway. In the former case i don't understand your reasoning and in the latter case it is a less moral stance.

Ajidica said:
I'm not trying to be pedantic, but please use proper terms here. Abortion (presuming no anti-abortion laws are present) cannot be murder as it is not an unlawful killing, in addition to the clearly present uncertianty about how to ctagorize a fetus/embryo/zygote
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One defintion of murder is to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously. It fits that rather well.
 
However, that's not what murder's common meaning is, which is rather the point.
 
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