Petra in Currency

[ferretbacon]

I'm thinking Petra might simply have the effect that Machu Picchu currently has. The gold from trade routes would make sense with Petra, considering, if I am correct, that Petra was on a branch of the Silk Road.

As to where Machu Picchu has moved or if it has a new effect, I can't even begin to speculate.

Thoughts?

 

[AriochIV]

Perhaps Machu Picchu now has a Faith-based effect. I always thought it strange that it had a financial effect to begin with.

 

[Montov]

Without any confirmation, the (first) assumption must be that there is no change to a current Wonder. Sure, Stonehenge is changing, but that doesn't mean every wonder will be rebalanced. A couple of other Wonders are confirmed to be unchanged.

That said, I will think Petra will give at least a free Market in the city it was build. And maybe an additional bonus to every Market, like +2 Gold & +1 Faith.

 

[anandus]

I think at least it's a safe assumption Petra will give Great Merchant points.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

It would be nice if Petra had the effect of Machu Pichu, unless you'd still be required to have it built nearby a mountain, that'd suck.. it's unfair for those who have no chance to build it, it's an excellent bonus.

 

[Montov]

It would be nice if Petra had the effect of Machu Pichu, unless you'd still be required to have it built nearby a mountain, that'd suck.. it's unfair for those who have no chance to build it, it's an excellent bonus.

For the sake of realism, you need to be next to a desert hill.

 

[Jo the spearman]

I enjoy the fact that some wonders can only be built near a specific terrain tile. It means you have to pay extra attention to where you settle your cities. Plus, the chance to be beaten by an other civ is smaller, which reduces the risk factor of building that particular wonder.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I know I always try to find a convenient peak to put a city next to for the purposes of making Machu Pichu.

 

[bcaiko]

I'm going to go with Petra having the old Machu Picchu effect, and the new Machu doing something like reducing maintenance cost for roads...

I think this is a brilliant suggestion. Nothing currently reduces road maintenance and that would be a great area for a wonder to cover. Expansive Civs would adore this wonder.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

I think this is a brilliant suggestion. Nothing currently reduces road maintenance and that would be a great area for a wonder to cover. Expansive Civs would adore this wonder.

Commerce, one of the policy reduces both road and railroad maintenece.

 

[Pembroke]

I think this is a brilliant suggestion. Nothing currently reduces road maintenance and that would be a great area for a wonder to cover. Expansive Civs would adore this wonder.

But wouldn't that make it so that the Inca don't want to waste resources building it as they already have their unique ability of free roads on hills? Granted, in Civ any civilization can build any wonder but it's still historically an Incan wonder so I'd like to think it'd at least make sense for the Inca to build it...

 

[SammyKhalifa]

I think this is a brilliant suggestion. Nothing currently reduces road maintenance and that would be a great area for a wonder to cover. Expansive Civs would adore this wonder.

But aren't "Increasing trade routes" vs. "decreasing road costs" just two sides of the same coin? I mean, the end result is the same . . .

 

[Ajuga]

Considering that the Inca never finished Machu due to the Spanish conquest...
And that it was most likely build to house an import person.

Maybe something with great people?

 

[bcaiko]

But aren't "Increasing trade routes" vs. "decreasing road costs" just two sides of the same coin? I mean, the end result is the same . . .

No, they're not the same. If you need to build a particularly long road to a city with small population (say one that has military significance), the trade route increase wouldn't do much for you, but reduction in road costs would. The two ideas are related, yes, but not the same.

Also, even the Inca would benefit from Macchu Pichu. It's not like the Inca never build roads. Or railroads.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Considering that the Inca never finished Machu due to the Spanish conquest...
And that it was most likely build to house an import person.

Maybe something with great people?

You know what was also built to house an important person?
Forbidden Palace
Himeji Castle
Neuschwanstein Castle

Built to house an important dead person?
Mausoleum
Pyramids

If wonders did what they were literally for, they'd all cost a lot and accomplish little.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

The great pyramids now act as a gateway to the afterlife? Sweet!

 

[Ajuga]

You know what was also built to house an important person?
Forbidden Palace
Himeji Castle
Neuschwanstein Castle

Built to house an important dead person?
Mausoleum
Pyramids

If wonders did what they were literally for, they'd all cost a lot and accomplish little.

I understand your point but most wonders do something that relate a little bit to their real world equivalent.
The Pyramids must have taken a lot of work to build back in the time it was build, not to forget that we don't even know how they pulled off such a feat.
Hence a civilization that builds it in game gets some workers and a bonus to constructing improvements. It has a small relation.

Machu was build to house a great person but construction stopped halfway due to the Spanish invaders.
It could give some great people points or a bonus that has to do with war.

Maybe give units in friendly territory an additional movement point.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

No, they're not the same. If you need to build a particularly long road to a city with small population (say one that has military significance), the trade route increase wouldn't do much for you, but reduction in road costs would. The two ideas are related, yes, but not the same.

Also, even the Inca would benefit from Macchu Pichu. It's not like the Inca never build roads. Or railroads.

No it's not EXACTLY the same but very similar. I'd rather they just leave it as is or give it a different function. Perhaps religion points per trade route, or something like that.

 

[AriochIV]

Granted that there's no assumption that the effect must change just because it moved techs... we're just speculating.

Of the Wonders that might be converted to Faith-effects, Machu Picchu is a good candidate. It's true that it was a sort of palace, but there was almost certainly a lot more to it than that -- the fact that it was put in in such an inaccessible high place, and oriented precisely toward the nearby sacred peaks (in a similar manner to a Stonehenge or a Chaco Canyon) suggests a very strong religious significance. The Inca emperor was, after all, thought to be a living god.

 

[GenjiKhan]

I don't like the idea of giving a "new wonder" a benefit from a "old wonder",while giving to the "old wonder" another benefit . For Petra,I think that instead giving them a bonus of "Macchu Picchu",why not give a new bonus,like a faith bonus for each trade route?