PH16: Guns Make a Man

[Meiz]

Got it, and I'll take a closer look at the save a bit later.

I think we should build a couple blocker cities to the east then piss off Wvo to declare on us so we can take his land. He seems to have land much more suited for production.

This might be a bit of a challenge, as pholk mentioned on previous page that we can't enter to any foreign city before the world war

 

[White Dragon]

I thought he said we couldn't enter any tile that had an enemy city, or something like that. There wouldn't be any foreign city if it was razed.

 

[Ozbenno]

Its against the spirit of the SG, only war after Gunpowder.

It is only Prince after all.

 

[Meatbuster]

Lurker's comment:
I guess "only Prince" is becoming some sort of catchphrase now huh...

 

[Meiz]

The plan!

Research Mysticm (for monuments) -> Masonry (stone quarry, Pyramids? ) -> Hunting (elephant camp)

Capital builds an axeman while growing and then additional settler, if the block sites still available (see below).

We settle eastern site first and then try to poach western site from Willem.

 

[Meiz]

Preturn

Since no one objected, I will go with the plan (and probably crash our economy by doing it!). It's only prince after all!

Switch Istanbuls granary to an axeman and sign open borders with De Gaulle, Asoka and Hammurabi. The Persians and Incas are already at each others throaths!

Turn 5

Say hello to Bursa and goodbye to our research rate!

Turn 7

Mysticm is learned and all cities except capital switch to build monuments. Hunting next.

Turn 8

Erdine whips monument...

Turn 9

...and starts much needed worker.

Turn 10

Istanbul finishes axe and starts a settler. I feel we really need to do some early landgrab because of our limited warring variant.

Turn 11

Istanbul whips the settler for 2 pop. Ankara whips the monument.

Turn 12

I'll still hold the granary in Istanbul and start a library instead. The scientists should keep our research rate going...

Turn 15

Ok, I think I've done enough already

Settler is waiting at the red dot and I'm quite confident we can control the bananas once we can actually build plantations.

I also added some signs for suggested city sites, but these can wait for now. Let's hear you suggestions as well! Next sets should probably focus on defenses and infra (+Pyramids once the stone is hooked, of course ).

Or we could go nuts and poach the rice / floodplains location between Persia and India! It's only princ... Oh shut up already!

 

[Ozbenno]

I think Code of Laws might be a good investment now, courthouses are sorely needed.

 

[r_rolo1]

Indeed we should crash the economy and settle that spot between India and Persia. This is only prince after all Seriously, we are running out of decent places to settle .... and we are still only @ 40%

 

[White Dragon]

GF, you got this?

 

[GreyFox]

Oh, right, I am UP. The series of swaps and pretending to swap confused me as well

Got it.

My worry about settling between india and persia is that russia will cut off our two eastern cities if we do not settle red dot to complete the link of our empire.

 

[Meiz]

My worry about settling between india and persia is that russia will cut off our two eastern cities if we do not settle red dot to complete the link of our empire.

Yeah, the Russians always causing troubles, bastards... p)

 

[pholkhero]

sorry guys ~ a virus crashed my computer on about sun or so

i'm just now getting everything together after having to wipe my drivers clean and do a complete sys recovery.

I'll need another 12hrs or so to catch up here and make up with my wife

 

[GreyFox]

Yeah, the Russians always causing troubles, bastards... p)

Opps ... ... its the Dutch, not Russian ... the color confused me

Anyhow, Dutch or Russians, they can go fly kite. I settled red dot:

Which immediately cost us 6 gpt ... our economy has officially gone down the its-just-prince drain.

As if that's not enough, those ingrates that cost us so much gold to find them a new home immediately asked to join the dutch (that's when I realized it was the dutch and not the russian ).

Fat hope.

Well, fat hope for whoever that think we can settle between Perisan and Indian as well:

Research wise, I have gotten Hunting through binary research. We needed the commerce and happiness from ivory camp. Someone mentioned masonry for the stones and pyramids. But given the dire situation we are in, I think we need iron working to work on the gems more than anything.

Here is the end turn situation:

We have to start cottaging the grasslands. We also need more workers to road the cities ... +1 commerce for trade route is better than nothing, and we need commerce desperately.

On the positive side, we are second in score

Good luck.

 

[Meiz]

IW is good call, but the Pyramids were mostly planned because pholk (and myself) suggested specialist economy for this game. Not that it was written to stone or anything.

I'd probably still go for masonry / pyramids next, while whipping / chopping libraries for scientists.

Anyways, looking good! Don't sign OB with the dutch and prepare for his puny-prince-difficulty-offense once he realizes that we just robbed all the land!

 

[r_rolo1]

sorry guys ~ a virus crashed my computer on about sun or so

i'm just now getting everything together after having to wipe my drivers clean and do a complete sys recovery.

I'll need another 12hrs or so to catch up here and make up with my wife

C'mon pholk, that excuse is way beaten down

 

[pholkhero]

great turns all ~

I am back home -- it's feels great to have just seen all those wonders that I have been building in Civ4 for real -- Pantheon, Colosseum, Sistine Chapel, ...

i'm sure it was business, correct? I imagine you in meetings all morning, and taking pictures all afternoon. And drinking in the evening

Its against the spirit of the SG, only war after Gunpowder.

It is only Prince after all.

agreed ~ if they declare, they declare and we play defense. no taking/razing of cities ~ pillaging might be okay, but i don't think it's going to happen tbh.

We should start thinking about the first world war too!

I've got it. Gimme a day to get BtS up and running (for some reason, it's not recognizing the Vanilla install right now)

Roster
pholkhero >> UP NOW
ozbenno>> on deck
rolo
White Dragon
meiz
GreyFox >> just played

and @ rolo:

 

[pholkhero]

sorry to tease, but i'm just collecting my thoughts here so feel free to comment and i'll be playing in about 12 hours.

So, it seems like MM, infra and worker builds are the order of the day. IW sounds good. Perhaps, too, i'll start on our last settler?? It would be a shame to lose out on that corn and have a crescent-shaped empire ~

 

[Meiz]

Perhaps, too, i'll start on our last settler?? It would be a shame to lose out on that corn and have a crescent-shaped empire ~

Yeah, why not. It's only prince...

1E of the wines, on the desert would be good.

 

[GreyFox]

I think you can produce the settler if you want, but not settle until you see a settling party approaching. We really cannot afford another city at this stage. At least not until we get IW in (who knows, iron might change our decision on where to settle next).

We should probably produce 1~2 axes as well, in case the dutch take the offensive earlier than we expected out of a its-just-prince-AI.

i'm sure it was business, correct? I imagine you in meetings all morning, and taking pictures all afternoon. And drinking in the evening

Yeah, it was a business trip. The meetings actually stretches all day long, so its meeting all day, and drinking in the evening The pictures were taken the sunday before and the saturday after the meeting.

 

[pholkhero]

okay, so i went ahead and played 27 turns there was really nothing much to do except move workers along and push enter alot so . . .

right off the bat, i found out how we rank, money-wise:

We are then bombarded by Open Border requests:

I take them all.

Then, we are immediately asked to cancel some deals:

Apparently, there will not take this lightly!

And that was teh extent of the decisions that i needed to make. Our workers connected all oru cities, and put up a fair few cottages. We're now -1 gpt @ 40% (though we're running binary science right now). I stuck us on Maths thinking we would get Construction and Engineering before heading back down the bottom of the tech tree.

The Oracle was BIFL in 275 bc ~

We DO have iron

And Willem has lots of techs we don't:

We've got a couple workers on the gems right now, and a settler on the way to the desert spot, with a warrior nearby for garrison duty. We should have an axe in another couple turns, but most cities are focused on commerce and growth so production is low for now.